On 9/3/14 12:50 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi Brian, > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Brian Haberman > <br...@innovationslab.net> wrote: >> Just for clarification... >> >> On 9/3/14 12:22 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> >>> >>> I am also concerned on the time DMM is taking on dressing up the >>> charter text. I remind you on what Jari Arkko who is founding AD for >>> DMM said in Toronto admin plenary: >>> WGs should have solution work from day 1. >> >> Not "should", but rather "could". Not all WGs need to have >> requirements, frameworks, architecture, etc. That is why this type of >> discussion during charter development is important. > > Here is the quote: > WGs should have solution work from day 1 > > from page 22 of Jari's slides at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/slides/slides-90-iesg-opsplenary-7.pdf
Yes, that is what the slide says. The IESG discussed the contents of this presentation and the overwhelming consensus (and what was verbalized in the plenary) is that WGs should not be formed where the *only* output is architecture, frameworks, and/or requirements documents. The charter should have protocol/solution work on the charter from day one. It does not mean that non-solution documents should be skipped if they are needed or provide useful background. The charter text that Jouni sent to the mailing has four (4) work items. By my read, three (3) of them are solutions to identified problem areas. So, I believe the charter is following the spirit of Jari's plenary slides. Your only complaint is about the first work item. I have seen people asking about clarifications on that work item, but you are the only one who wants it removed. I believe others are in favor of providing a document of the high-level models being targeted for the solutions work. At this point, the WG chairs need to determine if there is consensus for the latest charter text. Regards, Brian
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