I'm totally against the concept of a Debian fork with init freedom but without 
DE freedom.

IMHO, if we're *technically* able to deliever GNOME, we definitely should do 
that, even if the R&D costs are high. We should disinfect as many packages as 
possible, even if that means we provide a slightly crippled experience in 
Jessie. In the future (Jessie++), I think we should develop systemd 
alternatives that allow us to take the upper hand and contain this infection 
going forward.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:47:40 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:43:06 +0100
> Klaus Hartnegg <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > > I understand that Devuan wants to give Debianites who use Gnome an
> > > option to move smoothly to a systemd-free future (and stick it to
> > > Gnome in the process).  But does that have to be a top priority?  Why
> > > not get Devuan up and running with DEs/WMs that are not so entangled
> > > with systemd then tackle Gnome once the basic structure is in place?  
> 
> > This depends on the users. I suspect that Devuan attracts more server 
> > admins than desktop users. For server admins it would be fine to first 
> > get the base system going, and care about GUI later. However maybe 
> > making Gnome work will be easier when certain requirements have been 
> > taken into account in the design the base system.
> 
> OTOH desktop users that will be attracted to Devuan will also be in majority 
> the same who also already renounced Gnome and Kde, their pomp and their work, 
> not to mention their bloat.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Ron.
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