> > An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest > majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not. >
Yes. And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup. Needless complexity is a trap to delay the Devuan project. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Mauro Cicio <[email protected]> wrote: > Why do we want to make the group of those not interested in GNOME wait for > GNOME, when not waiting would result in no major impact on those that are > interested in GNOME (probably a minority, BTW)? > > It is enough to have a two step release, the first w/o GNOME, which will > be in the second half of the release. > The GNOMErs will have to wait longer anyway. Why drag everybody in that? > Is there any advantage in having a catch-all release? > > No need for polarisation or bridge burning. Just announce a two step > release. > > Realistically, a tiny minority of those ready to leave Debian "just" for > init freedom would make having GNOME sooner rather than later a deciding > point. > An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest > majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not. > Addressing quickly this important subset of the community would guarantee > Devuan some chances of success. > > mauro > > > > > On 29 December 2014 at 09:55, KatolaZ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:50:07PM -0500, Clarke Sideroad wrote: >> > I think this whole CLI - GUI thing causes a lot more polarization >> > than it should. >> > There are I'm sure a lot of people like myself who use the linux >> > desktop day to day, have no problem dealing with the command line or >> > administering a few boxes. >> > A lot of desktop users are long term geeks, nerds and computer >> > weirdos who don't fit into the Gnome/Redhat "Future of the Desktop" >> > mold. >> >> If I can give my 2 cents to this discussion, I would like to point out >> that the "Conquest of the Desktop Market" is just a nonsense, and I >> believe that RedHat knows it very well. GNU/Linux has never taken off >> on desktops, and probably never will, first because the battle has >> already been won by Apple and second because desktops will practically >> disappear (meaning that they will represent an even smaller fraction >> of the overall market), replaced by smartphones and smart-tvs. >> >> Let's focus on the niche in which GNU/Linux has still the possibility >> to say a word, i.e. the server and backend world. This is exactly what >> RedHat is doing, in the end, with the systemd nonsense: one init to >> rule them all. They know very well that the market that counts for >> GNU/Linux is on the server side, and the systemd nonsense is the last >> strike to effectively wipe out all its competitors there. And they >> have already made a big step in that direction, mainly thanks to the >> silent and quick adoption of the systemd nonsense by virtually all the >> distros which might interfere with the plan, including SuSe and >> Debian. >> >> Let's try to focus on making a init-free debian-like distro for the >> moment, even at the cost of temporarily loosing some functionality >> (e.g., GNOME) and/or some users (e.g., GNOMErs). IMHO, it's far better >> (and maybe easier) to find tricks and hacks to let GNOME run on a >> functioning Devuan later on, than delaying the release of a >> functioning Devuan just to have GNOME on it since from the >> beginning. Too many projects have already been drowned by the GNOME >> nonsense.... >> >> My2Cents >> >> KatolaZ >> >> >> -- >> [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] >> [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] >> [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] >> [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > -- MX-14, Mint-LTS, PCLOS, Gobo
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