On 160919-01:28-0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:16:02 +0200 > Miroslav Rovis <miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I read this great Devuan ML whenever I have time, and am still so > > excited to be using Devuan some day, > > To refresh everyone's memory, Miroslav sent a lot of email, including > to DNG, concerning operating without DBUS. I made many forum posts, and no emails, about Dbus, on Gentoo Forums and Debian Forums, and I made a few (but with a lot of links, a huge read, an not all well put --reader be warned!--, however most of those links happened to have been read a lot)...
[And I made a few], only a few, but with relatively numerous links, to this Dng Devuan list. One of them was this one --reader remember the warning above--: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150305.175104.c6924211.en.html ... > Although I think operating > without DBUS would be too radical for Devuan, it would be kind of a > cool option. > > Once, once in my whole life, I brought up a system without dbus. It was > Manjaro-OpenRC, and was only sans-dbus when in CLI mode: Running x > started dbus. My Gentoo systems (all clones of each other) are completely no-dbus no-systemd. More below. By the way, before replying to some of the below, and to Joel Roth and others, let me first ask if my search (stick "ml:dng au:dev1fanboy" into the form and hit Enter) is true: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20151231.181115.00000000@ml:dng,au:dev1fanboy.en.html dev1fanboy has last been seen on the list mid-January 2016? No, I found him in my mailbox. And then the question is: why the search did not return his newer posts (I also use Lurker, and struggle with such issues)? [I found him in my mailbox]: maintainers resource for Devuan https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160613.231741.e4f3b593.en.html > If anyone's running any kind of GUI Linux system without dbus, tell us > about it. > I can tell about my Gentoo systems very gladly! (warning as above, I'm not really a dev). And I CC dev1fanboy in this reply. It's plain openbox. I start it with "startx". But (and this is why I included dev1fanboy -- pls. add Firefox in the list: Ooohh... I can't find it now. Upon opening: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan it tells me: The repository for this project is empty But I know it exists. So, dev1fanboy, pls. add Firefox (which has been privacy-wise going strong of late via collaboration with https://disconnect.me/ e.g.: the Schmoogle and other trackers are all pretty much away from my browsing online) to the list of no-dbus supporting browsers. Firefox works without a glitch and with hardly any functionality missing (I don't hear audio when viewing, such as the webm videos: http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/2016/Bleiburg/ , no other problems or missing functionalities did I experience overall!). Firefox absolutely can work without dbus. The Linuxfromscratch project in the BeyondLFS guide, I saw maybe a month ago, they compile with, IIRC: "--without-dbus" flag. And my Wireshark works just flawlessly, Vdr installs (and ;-) Steve, you are right about my concern for privacy in the *nix world, I wrote on vdr-portal.de : Bitte: Nicht Systemd oder Dbus ein Dependency Machen! http://www.vdr-portal.de/board60-linux/board14-betriebssystem/board56-gentoo/128026-bitte-nicht-systemd-oder-dbus-ein-dependency-machen/ (the subject title means: Pls: Do not make systemd or dbus a dependency!) There, I replied to Steve Litt's request. Happy devuaning to everybody! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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