On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 23:37 +0300, Ilari Liusvaara wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:44:19PM -0700, Joe Touch wrote:
> > 
> > The key, however, is that this proposal is really redefining HTTP
> > ports
> > 80 and 443 (if that's the direction you go), and you need to get
> > consensus on that. It's not enough to simply say "we want to do it
> > and
> > it works as currently specd".
> 
> The properties this draft exploits for detection are completely
> fundamential to HTTP/1.x and HTTP/2. There is no way anything that
> breaks those properties can be deployed on mass scale without a new
> ALPN, which should be ample warning to the server that new things
> are going on.
> 
> This isn't "unextendable because of middleboxes", it is "unextendable
> because the endpoints can't negotiate".
> 
> 
> -Ilari

If we accept DKG's proof, it works on what *is*. 

"Cant negotiate"?  There is no negotiation.  The "server" demuxes on 
published, known, accepted, delineated protocol standards.  

Cant fix future changes and cant fix non-end-points screwing with the
stream.

Am I missing something?

/Hugo



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