Regarding iframes: we don't use them, don't need them, and won't use them 
because transclusion will do the job if we want to go that way.

--Jean

> On 4 Oct 2013, at 20:03, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi :)
> I think it is widely agreed, by website designers, as being good practice to 
> use percentages or proportional sizes rather than fixed sizes.  Sadly they/we 
> still often use fixed sizes because it's easier for them/us to understand.  
> It's not just about font-height (although that is one critical factor) but 
> also about 'screen'-size, or rather, how large the page is on the screen.  
> People are going to expect to be able to skim through wiki's on hand-held 
> devices (tablets, phones etc).  
> 
> 
> Is it possible to 'fix' the size of frames, in wikis, as a percentage of the 
> screen-size or proportional to font-height?  I think it is possible in html 
> but i didn't even realise wikis could have frames at all.  
> 
> Wiki-markup/down tends to be 'simplified' html/css so that 
> <h1>heading</h1>
> becomes 
> = heading =
> and
> <h2>sub-heading</h2>
> becomes 
> == sub-heading ==
> 
> So, i think the wiki 'coding' look less cluttered and is easier to read (or 
> ignore or work-around) while just editing the contents.  Some coders might 
> say that is not important and having "yet another" mark-up/down just creates 
> fragmentation and confusion but i think is fairly crucial that it is easier 
> for non-coders to be able to read and edit contents.  It might be an insult 
> and a shock to some people but not all coders are much good at writing 
> content and not all great documenters can cope with coding.  Wiki allows 
> un-coded content to look reasonably good and then other people can come along 
> later and add or tweak the coding to improve the look of the page.  To my 
> mind it takes at least 2 people to make a wiki-page look good and be useful.  
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
> 
> PS (Jean is one of those people who often achieves 2, or more, people's worth 
> so i'm not really contradicting what we see happen)
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Jean Weber <jeanwe...@gmail.com>
> 
> <snip />
> 
>> 
>> No, not HTML. A wiki include statement that pulls in another page (or part 
>> of a page) on the same wiki. I'll find it, once I take a few minutes to look 
>> for it.
>> 
>> --Jean
> 
> Also, iframes with specified heights are evil. Many of us increase font sizes 
> and badly done iframes cut off bits of the text.
> 
> 
> --Jean
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