And this thinking is what results in epic failure. Just because the wind is not blowing in Michigan does not mean that there are not tornados in Texas. The K5TIT group has done a great job so far, but they have already noted that the single point of inclusion is a problem, and have done what they could to attempt to make this a non-issue, but when something happened, well failure occured. Once again, they worked diligently to repair this, but there was a period when some things would not work.
This is not the fault of the Trust Server Team, it is a design flaw in the G2 software. There are in fact several trust servers in use at this point and for a good reason. When the North American Server decided to act like a computer and fail, the Japanese server was still working, and they were not affected other than communication to those systems connected to the North American Trust Server. Oddly enough, those people who have been around on the internet prior to when it became popular know that this type of system is destined to fail. One of the major issues with this type of thinking (in my opinion) is that not all communities need or have the same services. This is why though all RACES and emergency services have the same basic training in caring for injured or dislocated people, there are regions that have more specific training. For example, I would not see the need for an emergency service group in South Texas needing to train for ice rescue, nor do I see the need for a group in Kansas training for Mountain rescue. Those things though good are somewhat irrelevant. I believe that there should be groups of people who can work and develop with the ability to cooperate with other groups doing the same. I'm just glad to see people developing options that hopefully add to the tools that we have to use if we need them, but then again I don't use the spare tire on my car... but I'm glad it's there. Dan Thompson d...@waycom.com > Scott > > There is no "European" Trust server ! > > There is one trust server because Icom only allow one in an entire > network. That is the K5TIT trust server. > > There are small pockets of isolated groups in Germany that are running a > handful of repeaters, but these are no good to man-nor-beast as they are > not connected to the vast majority of other D-Star repeaters in Europe, a > continent in which I live ! > > These disconnected pockets will breed yet another overlay network - we > have far too many already, IMHO. > > 73 David - G4ULF > > > > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ham44865" <ham44...@...> wrote: >> >> >> There are 4 European ICOM TRUST servers. >> You would need permission with them to register your >> home-made "ICOM compatible" G2 Gateway, same thing with the US. >> >> I also have instructions on how to create a NEW ICOM >> TRUST server. They have created their own ICOM TRUST server, >> just like K5TIT did. >> >> They are pretty active witrh their ICOM TRUST server >> and they allow registration from anyone that wants to learn. >> I do not believe that they would deny you registration >> if you asked them. >> The Europeans TRUST server groups are very friendly. >> >> My dstar "ICOM compatible" G2 Gateway KJ4NHF >> went live with the European TRUST server a couple of weeks ago. >> >> Scott/KI4LKF >> >> --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "dlake02" <dlake@> wrote: >> > >> > Scott >> > >> > Congratulations on your progress. >> > >> > Last night, I had a conversation via the GB7NM with G3SMU from GB7MH - >> > totally G2 routed on the live G2 network. >> > >> > I would be interested if you could G2 route from your software to my >> > callsign via the G2 network ? I was last seen on GB7MH, and am there >> > most of the time. >> > >> > I'm a little confused by your comment about FOUR trust servers - there >> > is only ONE trust server outside of Japan, because the system as >> > supplied by Icom does not allow for multiple levels of trust. >> > >> > The whole point of G2 callsign routing is that EVERY node is accessible >> > to the Trust Server. >> > >> > The alternative is disconnected pockets of D-Star - that would be very >> > confusing to users, where they have a local D-Star repeater on a >> > different network, hence unable to reach their contact. >> > >> > I had experience of this on the Dutch/German border recently - there >> > are a series of "linked" D-Star repeaters on their own network, and I >> > was unable to reach anyone in the UK on the USRoot Trust Server ! But >> > the only indication you get is a RPT? back when you try and call >> > someone that you had previously worked on the main G2 network. >> > >> > That is certainly not what I want - that is why 99% of my project has >> > been to ensure that I have compatibility and interoperability with the >> > de-facto network and the trust of those that are kind enough to run it >> > on behalf of the whole Amateur community. >> > >> > 73 David - G4ULF >> > >> > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ham44865" <ham44865@> wrote: >> > > >> > > It was accepted by FOUR(4) ICOM TRUST servers, so far. >> > > >> > > Scott. >> > > >> > > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "john_ke5c" <ke5c@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ham44865" <ham44865@> wrote: >> > > > > dstar_gwy_srv can be used on any DSTAR ICOM system, >> > > > > Europe,US, Japan,... >> > > > > >> > > > > It is idependent of any "backbone",if there is such a word >> > > > > backbone when it comes to dstar. >> > > > > >> > > > > I believe you mean dstar TRUST groups, not "backbone". >> > > > >> > > > Is your software accepted by ICOM for use on their (and our) >> > > > backbone? >> > > > >> > > > But I have to agree with Aro, it wasn't the "first". >> > > > >> > > > 73 -- John >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the > original message in reply unless needed for clarity. 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