Scott wrote: > NO, I meant the European TRUST at dstareusers.eu is > running as a TRUST server exactly as k5tit does > at dstarusers.org or something. > > They have built a NEW TRUST server. > > That is the point. > > Now others will build more, as every country should have one. > > That is the point. (snip)
> The point is now we know how to create TRUST servers > for peoiple to enjoy and repeaters can belong to any > TRUST. Is is not any more one ONLY. You see what I mean. > > And check this out, A dstar repeater can switch from one > TRUST to another TRUST in 5 seconds. That is the > beauty of it. > > If one goes down, there is another and another and another ... (snip) I don't think there is any debate whether a repeater (more accurately, a D-STAR repeater's gateway system) can join/connect to a trust server ... and maybe later connect to a different trust server. Though - I would question whether the current ICOM v2 gateway software ... once it is joined to one trust server - will graciously handle connecting with a *different* trust. I suspect NOT. (I have not tried it; I am not sure why I would try it!) >From the perspective of a D-STAR end-user ... I wouldn't care that a repeater that I am using can switch to another (different?!) trust server in 5 seconds. What I am interested in is whether I can be accessing a local Internet connected D-STAR repeater and be able to communicate with another user of a different but similarly connected D-STAR repeater - anywhere in the world (where licensing authorities permit). Consider this the same a mobile (cell phone) roaming. You may have a local network of repeaters (today using a "reflector" to connect band modules over the Internet) where conversations are repeated within the area. This would be akin to some of the original (US) cell phone networks - where you were fine as long as you were on the network of the carrier you subscribed to. With systems based on a common trust model (root, realm, whatever you want to call it) that area can be greatly expanded. Expanded to anywhere and by anyone who adopts (or "registers") with said trust. Back to the mobile phone analogy: with standards and interconnect ... it is possible with my T-Mobile GSM phone for me to go to *any* country (that has GSM and where T-Mobile has roaming agreements with) and use my phone to originate and receive calls, data, etc. Unless I am totally misunderstanding your postings ... you are suggesting that each country / group of countries have their own trust server. With today's ICOM architecture each of those would be an island. I will be in Canada next week. I would like to talk to my friends in New England via the D-STAR repeater network. If all the Canadian systems were registered on and connected to a Canadian trust server - I wouldn't be able to connect through their repeater(s) to mine back home. >From the perspective of a D-STAR trustee and repeater owner, ideally it would be great if the architecture provided for distributed trust servers for the SAME realm ... much akin to how the root-hint DNS servers are distributed around the world. Today's ICOM v2 gateway software is not designed to operate that way; I know of no way that two standalone v2 trust servers can sync registered users between their databases. In fact - the issue would likely become that two trust servers may have registered "terminals" that have the same addresses ... quoting from a movie: "there can be only one". To reiterate what I posted before: Sure - anyone can create a trust server. And there may be individual situations that warrant it. But standalone D-STAR systems don't bode well for the advancement of the mode or the continued development of technologies that layer on top of what we can buy today. Bob W1QA
