At 03:08 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote:

>I definitely agree with John on this one.  Digital, by and large, is a
>big yawn, if all we're doing with it is the same things we've done
>before.
>
>Where it gets interesting in digital is in techniques like WSJT, which
>aren't nearly fast enough for speech (without being ridiculously broad-
>banded), but make contacts possible well down into S/N ratios that the
>human ear can't even "copy".

Well, one of the things we lack here is blanket coverage of 
repeaters.  It only takes a few hours drive from here in the big 
smoke to find places devoid of repeater coverage.  Traditionally, HF 
fills this gap, but then you're isolated from the international 
networks and have to rely on the vagaries of HF propagation.  Even 
domestically, this can prove a challenge, with the Travellers Net 
requiring several relays to achieve national coverage, and even then, 
results can sometimes be marginal.

"short range" (i.e. up to 500 miles) HF links that can manage 
acceptable audio, consistent signalling and a control channel could 
be interesting in this environment (Anyone want a gateway with a 300 
or 500 mile radius to mobiles? ;) ).

Benefits:

1.  Travellers in rural areas can still access their favourite 
networks (analog, possibly digital if transcoding can be done without 
totally screwing up the speech at this extreme compression).

2.  The Travellers Net (or a parallel net) could have a 
semi-permanent presence on a conference bridge somewhere, instead of 
being an hour or so each day.  If the formal net was held this way, 
it would take less NCS stations to hold it together, and could be run 
from an urban area (i.e. from a PC or VHF/UHF frequency).  Of course, 
in the event of the system going toes up, good old HF SSB is still 
available as a fallback.

3.  It would be an easier way to link regional (with good S/N between 
them) with urban stations (lousy HF S/N) for EMCOMM applications.  I 
have achieved this with SSB, but it is a bit of a pain, and haven't 
resolved the issue of controlling the links. ;)  Down here, urban 
areas are as noisy as anywhere else, but once you get out of town, 
the noise floor is often so low, I have to check if my front end 
hasn't died! ;)  20m goes from S2 - S3 noise to what would be 
equivalent to a few S points below the 0 stop on the meter (signals 
that don't move the meter sound LOUD out there).

Don't write of HF DV yet.  Sure, it's not my choice if I want to 
chase a bit of DV and push the boundaries, but I do see a place for 
it, once it's been refined a bit.  Getting that bit rate as low as 
possible is going to be vital.

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com

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