> I must admit the > hours-on-end of EU only on the low bands got very tiring very > quickly.
And yet they've made about a fifth of the QSOs with EU than they have with NA on 160m and just 2/3 the number of QSOs with EU as they have with NA on 80m. Go figure. In the meantime, poor ZS's get stuck with a "whisper" and no one straining to hear them in particular. VP6DX has too loud of a signal on 160m and 80m in the states to NOT stand by for other areas. Everyone with 30W radiated power and a passing interest seems to be able to work them on 160 and 80, which is awesome, but that's an awful lot of people compared to the usual crew vying for TB and 80m QSOs. Peter, I'm sort of interested in seeing how this discussion plays out on a reflector with some international participants ;-) I don't know if you saw but the original poster KA3NRX in the epic eHam thread managed to snag himself an 80m QSO (with 100W + G5RV I do believe)... despite the frequent and thorough EU EU EU EU. The way the QSO stats and my personal experiences watching people work this one have played out, the only people in North America adversely affected by VP6DX's incessant EU'ing are the terminally impatient and those who are scared of being awake after dark. And in reference to the original post, Charles, I did witness VP6DX on 160m calling for "EU/SA" at least... guess that was last night. Not very often you get anyone calling for South America unless they're an EU guy looking for better lowband DX than us stupid W3's ;-) I'm sure the UA4's and OH's SM's and LA's who get approximately 30 minutes of propagation to VP6DX on 160m would love to stand by for the first five hours of a nine to twelve hour mutual darkness with great propagation listening to an excellent signal they're not supposed to call. I'm sure the Africans who get even less propagation wouldn't mind a standby for them... but if there are so few of them as to make the rate *zero* on the average attempt, it's unlikely they're going to get much window. I'm sure satisfied with my 11 band slots worked at quasi-convenient hours with 100W from a 50x100 foot lot in the DC suburbs with no tower... and no one was "spoonfeeding" me. You can continue to think that it should just be "strong vs. weak" without an appreciation of how much stronger a fairly weak NA could be in VP6 than a moderately strong EU but I think it's going to get you some bad karma Re: some very needed SE Asian expedition that just works JA's all day ;-) "I sincerely doubt we'll ever see six hours-on-end, every day, of "NA only, EU-stand-by" when a DXpedition starts up from some place where propagation to EU is better than it is to NA." That would appear to be a different issue than your other objection, that no one should be "spoon-fed" 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, firstname.lastname@example.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org