George et al, After reviewing Fred's mdb here at my QTH, it is apparent that exactly what you said George - is happening ... the 3 QSO's that Fred doesn't see come up on the worksheet (all RTTY QSO's) are not being used - because of the "checkmarking of PHONE" -- the selection process that I guess that Jack uses - HAS SELECTED a PHONE QSO for each of the 3 RTTY QSO's that Fred said was missing..
Going back thru his mdb file - if I DO NOT checkmark PHONE -- ALL 3 of his RTTY QSO's are in fact USED in the worksheet -- but if I DO checkmark PHONE -- then Jack's selection process (for that particular band that the RTTY QSO's were on) -- IS SELECTING a PHONE QSO for that particular BAND. So, from what I can see here with Fred's mdb file - nothing is wrong with Jack's Logic in the DXCC Award module --- just how "we" think that it shud be outputting the worksheet - is not what shud be happening... I am surely open for any other opinions. 73 Joe wa6axe George Johnson wrote: > Ron et al, > This topic does get a very detailed and needs examples like yours to > resolve questions. I am also preparing a complex submission (cards and > LoTW) with DXBase 2006. > > Regarding your last question about the actual DXCC credit process, yes, > the 20 phone selection would make a 40 phone selection unneeded for > phone. And the 40 cw selection would have rendered the 40 phone > selection unneeded for the 40m band. The same logic applies to ignoring > the 30m RTTY if 30m cw had been selected for the 30m band etc. > > In past DXBase versions, I have had occasional problems with RTTY > selection when I tried these large "global" lists. I am presently > examining whether this is an issue with DXBase 2006. I previously did > what Fred outlined in his post the just ran a separate RTTY list which > always surfaced the "missing" cards. > > Jack & Co. did work on the DXCC award logic as part of DXBase 2006 and > it might be possible that my prior experience with RTTY (as well as > Fred, K1ACL) may have been resolved in with the 2006 release. I don't > know yet. > > But your observation on the selection for the global process > > > > At 01:01 PM 5/27/2005, Ron Stordahl wrote: > >> Fred et al: >> >> I am currently working on a rather large DXCC submission. I worked >> FT5XO Kerguelen on 11 band modes in their recent DXPedition and >> received the paper cards for all my Q's.. Prior to this I did not have >> Kerguelen in my log. >> >> On the DXCC Award Submission window in DXBase2006 I have selected >> everything (Mixed, Phone CW, RTTY, Digital and all bands except 6 and >> 2 meters.). For Select Records From I have selected QSO log and Cards >> Only. I have not selected SAT, QRP, YL, User-1 nor User-2. My >> additional selections are Exclude Past Submission, Select only Valid >> for Field Check and Combine RTTY and Digital. I have also selected a >> date of 19950101 since I am preparing this submission for Field Checking. >> >> Doing so I find that these two Q's for which I have cards: FT5XO on 40 >> phone and 30 RTTY are not selected. The rest of FT5XO Q's are >> selected. I would have never have noticed this except I am rather >> proud of getting country number 320 with 11 band modes so I was rather >> alert to this one! And it's also fresh in my mind. >> >> I have checked the log for these two Q's and they are all shown with >> the correct dates (March 2005), and in other respects do not differ >> from the selected ones except for the band and mode of course. >> >> It seems to me that they should have been selected, however reading >> the ARRL DXCC rules it is clear that the rules are unclear! >> >> If someone who really understands the DXCC rules can comment..is it >> possible that since 20 phone and 40 cw were selected that 40 phone >> would not be of any DXCC value? Similarly since 40 rtty and 30 cw were >> selected would 30 rtty not be of any DXCC value? That might explain >> it, otherwise I am in the dark as to why these two were not selected. >> >> Ron, N5IN >> >> >> Alfred LaVallee wrote: >> >>> Here is my 2 cents worth on the same problem. I've been sitting on the >>> sidelines, but have had the same problem since I started using DXBase >>> several versions ago. It is rather difficult to explain details without >>> being longwinded, but here goes. >>> From the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I check ALL modes & all >>> bands >>> desired, QSO log & cards only, exclude past submissions & combine RTTY & >>> Digital. I believe that SHOULD give me my complete submission. I >>> found no >>> errors, but did have some QSLs that were not selected for >>> submission. There >>> were 3 RTTY QSO missing from the report (calls or prefixes don't >>> matter). >>> Using the summary window it was easy to verify that each was applied >>> to the >>> right prefix, confirmed, and none were already credited for DXCC. >>> >>> After accepting that report (marking all QSOs credited) the same >>> procedure >>> produced no new QSOs to be credited. >>> Starting over again; from the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I >>> unchecked all bands and modes EXCEPT RTTY and this produces the QSOs >>> that >>> were originally omitted. I now have two reports to combine for one >>> submission. >>> >>> Had I not keep good records (DXbase of course) and put the QSLs aside, I >>> would not have even known they were omitted. It has been complained >>> about >>> before by others, but seems to have just been shrugged off as operator >>> error. >>> >>> 73, Fred >>> K1ACL >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "TOM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Tom, >>>> It's a little hard to tell from your notes exactly what is or is not >>>> being >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> included. Maybe a specific callsign example would help. >>>> >>>> I use the DXCC function here and it seems OK in 2006. >>>> >>>> For the case you mention as QSLs you know should be listed but are >>>> not, a couple quick "reasons" come to mind: >>>> 1. The country (log column labeled prefix) of these "QSLs" has >>>> already been recognized by DXBase as being credited for DXCC. >>>> 2. The actual QSO you want does not indicate that a QSL has been >>>> received. >>>> >>>> There are several more possibilities as part of the selection logic >>>> etc but it sounds like you may have already addressed those. >>>> You can check item 1 above by running the report: Output / Standard >>>> Reports . Look in User Designed other DXCC Related list for the >>>> report dxcccredselect.rpt. If you run this report you will see >>>> everything DXBase >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> "thinks" has been credited. >>>> Hope this helps but maybe a little more info from you could pin >>>> point the direction too. >>>> 73, George .. W1ZT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:17 PM 5/25/2005, TOM wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> IS anyone out there experiencing problems with the DXCC Worksheet >>>>> report for submission to ARRL as i am? i have spent about 3 weeks >>>>> off and on trying to get this report correct for field checking and >>>>> have had numerous >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> problems getting it right? I havn't seen many posts on it except >>>>> for multiple q's which i figured out, but my problem is it listing >>>>> q's already >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> credited and not listing ones that should be listed for submission? >>>>> I have >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> gotten it down 2 two qsls i need to submit and have listed on >>>>> report but for some reason Dxbase 2006 will not recognize them not >>>>> matter what i try checking or unchecking in the awards field or >>>>> select field? any help would >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> be appreciated here? one final note i have always done this by long >>>>> hand method up to know so this may be part of my problem but don't >>>>> have a clue how to correct it? TNX.....AA1BQ...TOM >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Dxbase mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Dxbase mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 27 14:32:37 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Stordahl) Date: Fri May 27 14:44:01 2005 Subject: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wes et al My reading of the DXCC rules causes me to reach the same conclusions. So it appears that DXBase2006 is doing this right, even though at first glance it did not seem right. Further I see that neither the 5 Band DXCC nor the DXCC Challenge can be endorsed for mode, Thus if you have FX5XO on 40 for one mode you get no further credit toward either of these awards for the other two modes on the same band. Of course that didn't keep me from working them on such band/modes!! The DXCC Challenge rules seems to imply that they will figure out when you qualify? At least I didn't notice an application for it. In this regard I think it would help if DXBase would total the columns on the Output>HF_Numeric_Statistics>Countries window. The total for the mixed CFM column would appear to be ones DXCC Challenge total (assuming you have them registered and accepted at the ARRL DXCC office). Then if they don't notify you, you can prod them! Ron, N5IN Wes (N7WS) and Linda wrote: >At 12:01 PM 5/27/2005 -0500, Ron Stordahl wrote: >[snip] > > >>I would have never have noticed this except I am rather proud of getting >>country number 320 with 11 band modes so I was rather alert to this one! >>And it's also fresh in my mind. >> >> > >And you should be! > > > >>I have checked the log for these two Q's and they are all shown with the >>correct dates (March 2005), and in other respects do not differ from the >>selected ones except for the band and mode of course. >> >>It seems to me that they should have been selected, however reading the >>ARRL DXCC rules it is clear that the rules are unclear! >> >> > >Indeed. > > > >>If someone who really understands the DXCC rules can comment.. >> >> > >I'm going to comment even tho no one understands the rules [g] > >is it > > >>possible that since 20 phone and 40 cw were selected that 40 phone would >>not be of any DXCC value? >> >> > >I think so. You got credit for "phone" and "20" with the 20-meter contact. > You got credit for "CW" and "40" with the CW contact. > >Similarly since 40 rtty and 30 cw were > > >>selected would 30 rtty not be of any DXCC value? That might explain it, >>otherwise I am in the dark as to why these two were not selected. >> >> > >You got credit for "RTTY" with 40. You got credit for "30" with the CW >contact. > >How greedy are you anyway? {GRIN} > >If I'm all wet here, I know I'll be hearing about it. > >Wes N7WS > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 27 14:40:30 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Stordahl) Date: Fri May 27 14:51:37 2005 Subject: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The RTTY issue could take some study, but Ill have to leave it alone for this round, my application is going to be 27 pages long as it is! Which brings up a topic...long ago when I made a fairly large application, but not nearly this large, I asked if they wouldn't want to also get the application in digital form, such as comma separate values, Excel spreadsheed, simple text, etc which they could possibily use to avoid hand typing the entire thing into their computer which will and did result in errors which I later had to have them correct. They didn't want anything but the paper!! I am expecting quite a few errors to be made by them on this application. Ill ask them again this time if they also want it in digital form, but I expect the answer will be no again. Too bad! Ron, N5IN George Johnson wrote: > Ron et al, > The last part of my last post was dropped by my cockpit error: > > But your observation on the selection for the global process is > correct and those "unselected" cards would be redundant for DXCC > processing. > > BTW, I have often just used the "Select" tag in the log for specific > QSOs when I wanted specific contacts on the list. This selection > request will be overruled by the duplicate band or prefix (country) > screen but it did make sure my missing RTTY contacts were always > captured when I ran a separate RTTY award list. > 73, George .. W1ZT > > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 27 14:54:37 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Blake) Date: Fri May 27 15:05:52 2005 Subject: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been living with this anomaly since we went from DOS versions to Windows. I tried to explain it once to Jack an Dayton years ago and wasn't able to convince him there was a problem. I have DXCC on 9 bands and am not working on 6 meters for band 10. My goal is to work as many countries on each band, mode, CW, SSB and RTTY as I can. Therefore with each submission I will have cards for most bands and all 3 mode. I check all bands and mode I have cards for and there has always been a few RTTY contacts that it doesn't pick up. I do a couple of runs with DXB and with the help of some glue, cut and paste I come up with a complete form that I Xerox. The good news is thanks to the law of diminishing returns I have fewer and fewer cards to submit so there is less and less doctoring to be done these days. 73 and DX Dave -N4DB- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Glockner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "George Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? > George et al, > > After reviewing Fred's mdb here at my QTH, it is apparent > that exactly what you said George - is happening ... the > 3 QSO's that Fred doesn't see come up on the worksheet > (all RTTY QSO's) are not being used - because of the > "checkmarking of PHONE" -- the selection process that > I guess that Jack uses - HAS SELECTED a PHONE QSO for > each of the 3 RTTY QSO's that Fred said was missing.. > > Going back thru his mdb file - if I DO NOT checkmark > PHONE -- ALL 3 of his RTTY QSO's are in fact USED in > the worksheet -- but if I DO checkmark PHONE -- then > Jack's selection process (for that particular band that > the RTTY QSO's were on) -- IS SELECTING a PHONE QSO for > that particular BAND. > > So, from what I can see here with Fred's mdb file - > nothing is wrong with Jack's Logic in the DXCC Award > module --- just how "we" think that it shud be outputting > the worksheet - is not what shud be happening... > > I am surely open for any other opinions. > > 73 Joe wa6axe > > George Johnson wrote: > >> Ron et al, >> This topic does get a very detailed and needs examples like yours to >> resolve questions. I am also preparing a complex submission (cards and >> LoTW) with DXBase 2006. >> >> Regarding your last question about the actual DXCC credit process, yes, >> the 20 phone selection would make a 40 phone selection unneeded for >> phone. And the 40 cw selection would have rendered the 40 phone >> selection unneeded for the 40m band. The same logic applies to ignoring >> the 30m RTTY if 30m cw had been selected for the 30m band etc. >> >> In past DXBase versions, I have had occasional problems with RTTY >> selection when I tried these large "global" lists. I am presently >> examining whether this is an issue with DXBase 2006. I previously did >> what Fred outlined in his post the just ran a separate RTTY list which >> always surfaced the "missing" cards. >> >> Jack & Co. did work on the DXCC award logic as part of DXBase 2006 and it >> might be possible that my prior experience with RTTY (as well as Fred, >> K1ACL) may have been resolved in with the 2006 release. I don't know >> yet. >> >> But your observation on the selection for the global process >> >> >> >> At 01:01 PM 5/27/2005, Ron Stordahl wrote: >> >>> Fred et al: >>> >>> I am currently working on a rather large DXCC submission. I worked FT5XO >>> Kerguelen on 11 band modes in their recent DXPedition and received the >>> paper cards for all my Q's.. Prior to this I did not have Kerguelen in >>> my log. >>> >>> On the DXCC Award Submission window in DXBase2006 I have selected >>> everything (Mixed, Phone CW, RTTY, Digital and all bands except 6 and 2 >>> meters.). For Select Records From I have selected QSO log and Cards >>> Only. I have not selected SAT, QRP, YL, User-1 nor User-2. My additional >>> selections are Exclude Past Submission, Select only Valid for Field >>> Check and Combine RTTY and Digital. I have also selected a date of >>> 19950101 since I am preparing this submission for Field Checking. >>> >>> Doing so I find that these two Q's for which I have cards: FT5XO on 40 >>> phone and 30 RTTY are not selected. The rest of FT5XO Q's are selected. >>> I would have never have noticed this except I am rather proud of getting >>> country number 320 with 11 band modes so I was rather alert to this one! >>> And it's also fresh in my mind. >>> >>> I have checked the log for these two Q's and they are all shown with the >>> correct dates (March 2005), and in other respects do not differ from the >>> selected ones except for the band and mode of course. >>> >>> It seems to me that they should have been selected, however reading the >>> ARRL DXCC rules it is clear that the rules are unclear! >>> >>> If someone who really understands the DXCC rules can comment..is it >>> possible that since 20 phone and 40 cw were selected that 40 phone would >>> not be of any DXCC value? Similarly since 40 rtty and 30 cw were >>> selected would 30 rtty not be of any DXCC value? That might explain it, >>> otherwise I am in the dark as to why these two were not selected. >>> >>> Ron, N5IN >>> >>> >>> Alfred LaVallee wrote: >>> >>>> Here is my 2 cents worth on the same problem. I've been sitting on the >>>> sidelines, but have had the same problem since I started using DXBase >>>> several versions ago. It is rather difficult to explain details >>>> without >>>> being longwinded, but here goes. >>>> From the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I check ALL modes & all >>>> bands >>>> desired, QSO log & cards only, exclude past submissions & combine RTTY >>>> & >>>> Digital. I believe that SHOULD give me my complete submission. I >>>> found no >>>> errors, but did have some QSLs that were not selected for submission. >>>> There >>>> were 3 RTTY QSO missing from the report (calls or prefixes don't >>>> matter). >>>> Using the summary window it was easy to verify that each was applied to >>>> the >>>> right prefix, confirmed, and none were already credited for DXCC. >>>> >>>> After accepting that report (marking all QSOs credited) the same >>>> procedure >>>> produced no new QSOs to be credited. >>>> Starting over again; from the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I >>>> unchecked all bands and modes EXCEPT RTTY and this produces the QSOs >>>> that >>>> were originally omitted. I now have two reports to combine for one >>>> submission. >>>> >>>> Had I not keep good records (DXbase of course) and put the QSLs aside, >>>> I >>>> would not have even known they were omitted. It has been complained >>>> about >>>> before by others, but seems to have just been shrugged off as operator >>>> error. >>>> >>>> 73, Fred >>>> K1ACL >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "TOM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tom, >>>>> It's a little hard to tell from your notes exactly what is or is not >>>>> being >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> included. Maybe a specific callsign example would help. >>>>> >>>>> I use the DXCC function here and it seems OK in 2006. >>>>> >>>>> For the case you mention as QSLs you know should be listed but are >>>>> not, a couple quick "reasons" come to mind: >>>>> 1. The country (log column labeled prefix) of these "QSLs" has >>>>> already been recognized by DXBase as being credited for DXCC. >>>>> 2. The actual QSO you want does not indicate that a QSL has been >>>>> received. >>>>> >>>>> There are several more possibilities as part of the selection logic >>>>> etc but it sounds like you may have already addressed those. >>>>> You can check item 1 above by running the report: Output / Standard >>>>> Reports . Look in User Designed other DXCC Related list for the >>>>> report dxcccredselect.rpt. If you run this report you will see >>>>> everything DXBase >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "thinks" has been credited. >>>>> Hope this helps but maybe a little more info from you could pin point >>>>> the direction too. >>>>> 73, George .. W1ZT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 07:17 PM 5/25/2005, TOM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> IS anyone out there experiencing problems with the DXCC Worksheet >>>>>> report for submission to ARRL as i am? i have spent about 3 weeks off >>>>>> and on trying to get this report correct for field checking and have >>>>>> had numerous >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> problems getting it right? I havn't seen many posts on it except for >>>>>> multiple q's which i figured out, but my problem is it listing q's >>>>>> already >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> credited and not listing ones that should be listed for submission? I >>>>>> have >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> gotten it down 2 two qsls i need to submit and have listed on report >>>>>> but for some reason Dxbase 2006 will not recognize them not matter >>>>>> what i try checking or unchecking in the awards field or select >>>>>> field? any help would >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> be appreciated here? one final note i have always done this by long >>>>>> hand method up to know so this may be part of my problem but don't >>>>>> have a clue how to correct it? TNX.....AA1BQ...TOM >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Dxbase mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Dxbase mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Dxbase mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected]
