IE can't put Java in any "new" products as a result of the law suit they
lost recently with Sun. They can only support Java in existing products for
7 years. Whistler (Windows X) and IE6 are Java clean.
Sun recently launched a "plug-in" for Java with a rather "limp" marketing
push. I downloaded it and thought the hole affair was rather disappointing,
certainly not a killer application to drive the masses to DL it. It's
called Java Web Start - Version 1.0, it's basically a "thin-client"
(according to them, personally 18mb isn't very thin in the eyes of Joe
Average) that uses the JVM it installs. The DL is a little over 18 mb.
You can launch Web Start remote of the browser. It comes with 3 very
uncompelling applications. A note pad, "swing-set" demo and a checkerboard
style war game (very, very simple - think somewhere between Atari and the
first 8-bit Nintendo). Like I said, it's not going to create any forest
fires of desire.
Additionally,...
The W3C is working on "Web Forms" a new broader version of interface GUI
objects (probably skinable) to allow developers to get away from the
ugliness associated with form elements. While this is nice. The
wonderboy's over at M$ have announced their own version (that will launch
with Window X, IE6 and .NET later this year). Unsurprisingly, M$'s will not
comply with the W3C recommendation and IE6 will not support it. Bugzilla
will, sometime in the far future...
I loath M$'s overall strategy, though in their greedy shoes most would
probably deploy similar tactics; live well on earth today and burn in hell
later for it. But Sun and the "Wild Bunch" associated with the OMG
consortium won't win the war with note pads and swing-set demos. Meanwhile,
M$ announces strategic alliances with e-bay (other coming soon, according to
them) to integrate auctions into their messaging interface. Sun gives us a
stale, uncompelling, tic-tac-toe style war game.
M$ has a horde of consumer marketing slime-balls (Proctor and Gamble Brand
Guru's) that work wonders using Vulcan mind-meld tricks on your average
techno-ludite. Sun knows nerds and distributed computing, clearly the
future of the web. Will the Nerds prevail or will consumers line up like
sheep behind the Judas ram of M$ marketing monkeys?
Time will tell...
Cheers,
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Loading External Content (Remote Scripting)
> First of all I don't know where you guys heard of this 18 MB VM and no
Java
> support in IE. I personally hate Java as a client side language (and in
> general too) and I also know from recent experience that you can't trust
> people to allow java on their systems. So I agree there needs to be
another
> way I personally think that a hidden frame is the best way to go.
>
> 8an
>
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