Unfortunatly the people who comprise the market (stock and consumer)
are still for the most part affected by flash-and-dazzle.
I garuntee that if you package the same product in two boxes;
one plain brown and the other with a big fat three-D color logo,
the one with the logo will out-sell the plain brown box any day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Loading External Content (Remote Scripting)
> IE can't put Java in any "new" products as a result of the law suit they
> lost recently with Sun. They can only support Java in existing products
for
> 7 years. Whistler (Windows X) and IE6 are Java clean.
>
> Sun recently launched a "plug-in" for Java with a rather "limp" marketing
> push. I downloaded it and thought the hole affair was rather
disappointing,
> certainly not a killer application to drive the masses to DL it. It's
> called Java Web Start - Version 1.0, it's basically a "thin-client"
> (according to them, personally 18mb isn't very thin in the eyes of Joe
> Average) that uses the JVM it installs. The DL is a little over 18 mb.
>
> You can launch Web Start remote of the browser. It comes with 3 very
> uncompelling applications. A note pad, "swing-set" demo and a
checkerboard
> style war game (very, very simple - think somewhere between Atari and the
> first 8-bit Nintendo). Like I said, it's not going to create any forest
> fires of desire.
>
> Additionally,...
>
> The W3C is working on "Web Forms" a new broader version of interface GUI
> objects (probably skinable) to allow developers to get away from the
> ugliness associated with form elements. While this is nice. The
> wonderboy's over at M$ have announced their own version (that will launch
> with Window X, IE6 and .NET later this year). Unsurprisingly, M$'s will
not
> comply with the W3C recommendation and IE6 will not support it. Bugzilla
> will, sometime in the far future...
>
> I loath M$'s overall strategy, though in their greedy shoes most would
> probably deploy similar tactics; live well on earth today and burn in hell
> later for it. But Sun and the "Wild Bunch" associated with the OMG
> consortium won't win the war with note pads and swing-set demos.
Meanwhile,
> M$ announces strategic alliances with e-bay (other coming soon, according
to
> them) to integrate auctions into their messaging interface. Sun gives us
a
> stale, uncompelling, tic-tac-toe style war game.
>
> M$ has a horde of consumer marketing slime-balls (Proctor and Gamble Brand
> Guru's) that work wonders using Vulcan mind-meld tricks on your average
> techno-ludite. Sun knows nerds and distributed computing, clearly the
> future of the web. Will the Nerds prevail or will consumers line up like
> sheep behind the Judas ram of M$ marketing monkeys?
>
> Time will tell...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Loading External Content (Remote Scripting)
>
>
> > First of all I don't know where you guys heard of this 18 MB VM and no
> Java
> > support in IE. I personally hate Java as a client side language (and in
> > general too) and I also know from recent experience that you can't trust
> > people to allow java on their systems. So I agree there needs to be
> another
> > way I personally think that a hidden frame is the best way to go.
> >
> > 8an
> >
> >
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