Comparing a Flash plug-in (165Kb) DL to Java (6mb) is a bit of a stretch,
but still off topic. The issue is the fact that MS and partners is going to
spend $1 billion marketing a unified system that is incompatable with all
legacy Java running on the web. Nasty...
Initially Sun and MS agreed to integrate the older Java JVM (hence the 7
years, $20 million license) so as to not "rock the boat of the installed
base" of the Internet.
Anyway you shake this pepper shaker it's a blow to Sun/Java.
FYI, I use and support Java 100% currently. I am in no way endorsing MS or
the .Net, I have a disdain for MS. But Java will have to trench to the
server unless some "killer app" makes a 6MB DL worth the trouble.
Think about... your on a 56K modem and go to "x" site. Your routed to a
"you need Java" page and told to go DL the 6mb plug-in (figure between 13-22
minutes depending on latency). What you going to do? Leave? Most likely.
Trust me, this is a real slap against humanity by the company known for
these bs games.
Cheers,
Ray
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in the same way that they don't support flash / shockwave.
Java will always work as a plugin.
There is no difference between this and the method currently required to use
JRE
1.2+ in IE / NS.
Digital Strider wrote:
> Ahhhh, the stage is set... .Net vs. J2EE
>
> Well, initially MS said they would support "older" versions of Java so as
to
> maintain some level of harmony with the current legacy of the web. But
now
> it appears that the sly bastards have elected to drop it all together,
> probably was planned from the beginning.
>
> Cheers,
>
> DS
>
> Microsoft XP Won't Include Java
> By ALLISON LINN, AP Business Writer
>
> SEATTLE (AP) - Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) will not include the
> Java programming language in its new Windows XP (news - web sites)
operating
> system, the software giant said Tuesday.
>
> Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said the company decided not to include the
> language so it wouldn't violate a legal settlement agreement.
>
> Java maker Sun Microsystems Inc. (NasdaqNM:SUNW - news) in January settled
a
> lawsuit it brought against Microsoft three years ago in U.S. District
Court
> in San Jose, charging Redmond-based Microsoft with infringing a licensing
> agreement to use Java.
>
> Java, introduced by Sun in 1995, lets developers write a software
> application that can run on a variety of computers, regardless of the
> underlying operating system. The language is widely used on Web sites and
> Sun had hoped to make Java a universal programming language.
>
> Sun alleged that Microsoft violated the terms of an agreement signed in
1996
> by creating a Windows-only version of Java that was incompatible with
other
> software. Sun also claimed copyright infringement, but a judge later
> dismissed that part of the claim.
>
> Under an agreement, Microsoft agreed to no longer license from Sun any
> current or new versions of Java, but it would have been allowed to
> distribute products carrying outdated versions of the Java technology for
> seven years.
>
> Microsoft also had to pay Sun $20 million, and was barred from using Sun's
> ``Java Compatible'' trademark.
>
> ``In the wake of the settlement agreement with Sun and the resolution of
> that litigation this approach simplifies our implementation and adherence
of
> that agreement,'' Pilla said.
>
> In light of the settlement agreement, which gave Microsoft just seven
years
> to phase out Java, he said the decision should come as no surprise.
>
> ``The reality is that (Java program) represents a lot of code that the
vast
> majority of users don't need,'' Pilla said.
>
> A Sun spokeswoman could not immediately be reached for comment by The
> Associated Press Tuesday.
>
> Pilla denied that the move was aimed at phasing out support for Java in
> Microsoft applications. He said Windows XP users will be able to easily
> download Java off a Microsoft update site if they come across a software
> application running on Java.
>
> The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia also
> addressed Microsoft's use of Java in its ruling last month that
unanimously
> reversed the breakup of Microsoft.
>
> The court overturned the court-ordered breakup of Microsoft, but upheld
the
> trial judge's finding that the software giant violated antitrust laws by
> muscling hardware and software companies into giving its operating systems
> preferential treatment.
>
> In its ruling, the court said that making an incompatible version of Java
> was not illegal, but said that its agreements with software vendors to use
> only the Microsoft-compatible Java version was illegal.
>
> Microsoft, meanwhile, has recently begun developing a set of Internet
> services, called .NET. based on another programming language, called XML.
> The .NET strategy calls for selling a series of paid services over the
> Internet that users can access on any computer device. This could range
from
> booking plane flights to buying concert tickets.
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