Saturday 10 February 2001 09:41, Pascal Bestebroer �������:
| > So, what is the problem from your side to apply my patch and get
| > Konqueror
| > detected? Amd, get X11 and/or Linux recognized as a platform?
| > // I am cc'ing Konqueror developers list, as its developers
| > should know about
| > this.
|
| Well very interested in the reply of the KonquerOr people.. are they
| interested in the DynAPI supporting them?
Well, I clearly indicated that I subscribed to DynApi mailing lists to get it
working with Konqueror (and other DOM-compliant web browsers)
| We had some great discussions about browser support on this list, and
| nobody ever mentioned KonquerOr in
That's why I am here. If you are interested in Konqueror, you can subscribe
to kfm-devel mailing list.
See http://www.kde.org for details.
| the list of browsers. It's just not a big player, Opera is actually a
| bigger player in this scene, although it lacks
| alot of good support. As mentioned by others, we haven't seen any
| patch..post it to sourceforge, we'll look into it.
|
Will do it shortky after KDE 2.1 release.
KDE 2.1 will be released on Monday (Feb.12th), so let's say middle of next
week.
| Also is there any browser difference between Linux / X11 !? It seems
| Netscape on linux runs correctly without having
| to detect the difference in linux distributions. It does not ignore linux
| platform, if it's not mac or win32, it's linux (or other which
| probably refers to X11).
When you report your Operating Sytem in UserAgent, you disclosure too much of
your *private things*.
Yes, MS IE and Netscape has "Windows" or "Mac" in userAgent.
There was discussion on kfm-devel about userAgents.
Finally peo9ple cam to conclusion that Konqueror's UserAgent should have X11,
not Linux. (by default).
UserAgent is fully configurable in Konqueror, it can emulate MS IE and
Netscape, but you have to tune it for exact site.
Please remember that KDE (and Konqueror) runs not only on Linux, but also on
FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SGI Irix.
In most cases, it runs over different implementations of X-Windows.
So, X11 in userAgent (or navigator.platform) is a good compromise.
Look at http://espn.com. They check for platform to add StyleSheets (CSS).
|
| > Do you want me to submit patch to CVS?
| > Then write exactly this.
| > Getting account on CVS takes some time, and I think that 4-lines
| > patch can be
| > submitted by somebody of key developers on list. It's just
| > faster, that's it.
| > Correct me if I am wrong here.
|
| a patch has to be 1. found, 2. checked/tested
| we 1. didn't find it, 2. couldn't test it because of 1
It was sent to the list.
IMHO it is very common practice - to discuss patch first, before applying it.
In KDE critical patches need to be approved by key developers, before
commitment.
But, proposed patch for userAgent detection is not critical, at all.
Anyway, as I mentioned, I will commit it to your CVS next week.
| > Reason why I subscribed to this list and want to help you:
| > because DynAPI library is written in a such way that causes problems
| > with many browsers. And needs to be fixed. That's it, wether you like
| > it or not.
|
| That's what we are doing.. we're fixing problems in browsers, not in the
| DynAPI, but in the implementation
| of DHTML in all the different browsers.. eventually exotic browsers like
| KonquerOr will be tackled, but it's
| just not one of the biggest players out there (not even on the list I
| think).
Well, it has double share of Opera, according to poll on Slashdot.org.
>From 45000 people voted, 5% voted for Konqueror and less then 3% for Opera.
Please remember that Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org, http://www.kde.org)
was officially announced just 3 month ago, on October, 23rd, 2000.
So, results are quite good for 3-month old browser.
And, while all reports on Netscape6 were negative, practically all reports on
Konqueror (even in version 1.9.8, part of KDE 2.0) were positive.
BTW: 3 years ago all Netscape funs were saying the same you are saying now to
me. "Netscape has 90% of browser market share. Microsoft can't make good
browser. Netscape it *the* standard" and so on.
Now, we have 85% share for MS IE (or even 91%, by some reports)
So, let's wait a little bit. We will see who is right.
|
| > Yesterday I wrote that half of official examples on
| > http://dynapi.sourceforge.net do not work with Mozilla M18 (Nov.2000)
| > and Mozilla 0.7 (Jan.11 2001). They also do not work with Netscape 6 on
| > Windows.
| > Do you ned more?
| > Tutorials on this site do not work with MS IE 5.0. ( I get
| > "object undefinied
| > message")
|
| Ofcourse they didn't work, Sourceforge was parsing the pre html code
| (even the < where changed into < causing problems)
| I fixed it, but the examples DO work, the tutorials just couldn't be
| loaded..
Ok, thanks for info, I will take a look at them once more.
| > About : "should use Konquerer"
| > Don't really understand what you are about.
| > Or you mean "Konqueror"?
|
| Oh come on.. how old are you!?
29. :-)
And you?
| > Yes, this is a great browser, and I really recommend other people
| > to give it
| > a try. BTW I even created web site for this.
| > Konqueror is very good browser to debug MS IE-specific or
| > Netscape-specific
| > bugs. As DynAPI is full of such browser-specific code, Konqueror
| > is excellent
| > tool to debug this library.
|
| It's probably a very great browser.. but not very commonly used. And I'm
| not going to install linux to run
| an exotic browser to debug the IE or NS code, because I'll use IE or NS
| for it.
|
well, it's up to you.
Most likely, you do not believe in Linux desktop.
Let's wait a little bit.
Linux market share doubles from year over year.
And already now it's market share is bigger then Apple (>5%).
KDE is the leading Desktop Environment for Linux. And wether you like it or
not, but it is (together with Konqueror) on 90% of Linux desktops.
Please note: Konqueror is DOM-based browser.
Mozilla/Netscape is DOM-based.
NeoPlanet is going to release their NeoPlanet browser based on Mozilla code
soon. (this quarter, I guess). It will run on Windows.
DOM will get acceptance, not now but in year or two.
When you make your code DOM-compliant, you make it compliant to any DOM-based
browser.
BTW: about exotic browsers.
You can take a look at Galeon (http://galeon.sourceforge.net)
Supporting DOM you will support it as well.
So, let's make clear: I agitate here not for Konqueror, but for Web Standards
(DOM, CSS, XML)
| Pascal Bestebroer
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P.S. Linux is not difficult to install, not at all.
I can recommend to take Linux Mandrake 7.2 which will automatically install
you XFree86 (X-Windows) and KDE 2.0 in less then 14 minutes.
I run dual-boot configuration, Win98 + Linux.
Are guess you are located in Europe?
So, you should have no problems buying it near you.
Look at www.linux-mandrake.com for details.
If you have good internet connection, you can download it for free.
--
Vadim Plessky
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