I've been silently watching this thread to see how it develops. But I have to
step in here.
Currently, browser detection is only needed when irregular code is required to
deal with inconsistencies between the platforms / browsers.
If there is no bug / glitch in Konqueror that requires a specific fix, there is
no NEED to detect it.
Also, the same applies to platforms.
As for your stats regarding the use of Konqueror, I don't put much faith in such
a stat. It is similar to asking MS employees if they use IE. Slashdot is a
known place for people devoted to Linux. Do you have any stats from another
source, such as a collection of server logs. This way it is the site usage that
collects the data not users who select an option from a list.
Vadim Plessky wrote:
> Saturday 10 February 2001 09:41, Pascal Bestebroer ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ:
> | > So, what is the problem from your side to apply my patch and get
> | > Konqueror
> | > detected? Amd, get X11 and/or Linux recognized as a platform?
> | > // I am cc'ing Konqueror developers list, as its developers
> | > should know about
> | > this.
> |
> | Well very interested in the reply of the KonquerOr people.. are they
> | interested in the DynAPI supporting them?
>
> Well, I clearly indicated that I subscribed to DynApi mailing lists to get it
> working with Konqueror (and other DOM-compliant web browsers)
>
> | We had some great discussions about browser support on this list, and
> | nobody ever mentioned KonquerOr in
>
> That's why I am here. If you are interested in Konqueror, you can subscribe
> to kfm-devel mailing list.
> See http://www.kde.org for details.
>
> | the list of browsers. It's just not a big player, Opera is actually a
> | bigger player in this scene, although it lacks
> | alot of good support. As mentioned by others, we haven't seen any
> | patch..post it to sourceforge, we'll look into it.
> |
> Will do it shortky after KDE 2.1 release.
> KDE 2.1 will be released on Monday (Feb.12th), so let's say middle of next
> week.
>
> | Also is there any browser difference between Linux / X11 !? It seems
> | Netscape on linux runs correctly without having
> | to detect the difference in linux distributions. It does not ignore linux
> | platform, if it's not mac or win32, it's linux (or other which
> | probably refers to X11).
>
> When you report your Operating Sytem in UserAgent, you disclosure too much of
> your *private things*.
> Yes, MS IE and Netscape has "Windows" or "Mac" in userAgent.
> There was discussion on kfm-devel about userAgents.
> Finally peo9ple cam to conclusion that Konqueror's UserAgent should have X11,
> not Linux. (by default).
> UserAgent is fully configurable in Konqueror, it can emulate MS IE and
> Netscape, but you have to tune it for exact site.
>
> Please remember that KDE (and Konqueror) runs not only on Linux, but also on
> FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SGI Irix.
> In most cases, it runs over different implementations of X-Windows.
> So, X11 in userAgent (or navigator.platform) is a good compromise.
>
> Look at http://espn.com. They check for platform to add StyleSheets (CSS).
>
> |
> | > Do you want me to submit patch to CVS?
> | > Then write exactly this.
> | > Getting account on CVS takes some time, and I think that 4-lines
> | > patch can be
> | > submitted by somebody of key developers on list. It's just
> | > faster, that's it.
> | > Correct me if I am wrong here.
> |
> | a patch has to be 1. found, 2. checked/tested
> | we 1. didn't find it, 2. couldn't test it because of 1
>
> It was sent to the list.
> IMHO it is very common practice - to discuss patch first, before applying it.
> In KDE critical patches need to be approved by key developers, before
> commitment.
> But, proposed patch for userAgent detection is not critical, at all.
>
> Anyway, as I mentioned, I will commit it to your CVS next week.
>
> | > Reason why I subscribed to this list and want to help you:
> | > because DynAPI library is written in a such way that causes problems
> | > with many browsers. And needs to be fixed. That's it, wether you like
> | > it or not.
> |
> | That's what we are doing.. we're fixing problems in browsers, not in the
> | DynAPI, but in the implementation
> | of DHTML in all the different browsers.. eventually exotic browsers like
> | KonquerOr will be tackled, but it's
> | just not one of the biggest players out there (not even on the list I
> | think).
>
> Well, it has double share of Opera, according to poll on Slashdot.org.
> >From 45000 people voted, 5% voted for Konqueror and less then 3% for Opera.
>
> Please remember that Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org, http://www.kde.org)
> was officially announced just 3 month ago, on October, 23rd, 2000.
> So, results are quite good for 3-month old browser.
> And, while all reports on Netscape6 were negative, practically all reports on
> Konqueror (even in version 1.9.8, part of KDE 2.0) were positive.
>
> BTW: 3 years ago all Netscape funs were saying the same you are saying now to
> me. "Netscape has 90% of browser market share. Microsoft can't make good
> browser. Netscape it *the* standard" and so on.
> Now, we have 85% share for MS IE (or even 91%, by some reports)
> So, let's wait a little bit. We will see who is right.
>
> |
> | > Yesterday I wrote that half of official examples on
> | > http://dynapi.sourceforge.net do not work with Mozilla M18 (Nov.2000)
> | > and Mozilla 0.7 (Jan.11 2001). They also do not work with Netscape 6 on
> | > Windows.
> | > Do you ned more?
> | > Tutorials on this site do not work with MS IE 5.0. ( I get
> | > "object undefinied
> | > message")
> |
> | Ofcourse they didn't work, Sourceforge was parsing the pre html code
> | (even the < where changed into < causing problems)
> | I fixed it, but the examples DO work, the tutorials just couldn't be
> | loaded..
>
> Ok, thanks for info, I will take a look at them once more.
>
> | > About : "should use Konquerer"
> | > Don't really understand what you are about.
> | > Or you mean "Konqueror"?
> |
> | Oh come on.. how old are you!?
>
> 29. :-)
> And you?
>
> | > Yes, this is a great browser, and I really recommend other people
> | > to give it
> | > a try. BTW I even created web site for this.
> | > Konqueror is very good browser to debug MS IE-specific or
> | > Netscape-specific
> | > bugs. As DynAPI is full of such browser-specific code, Konqueror
> | > is excellent
> | > tool to debug this library.
> |
> | It's probably a very great browser.. but not very commonly used. And I'm
> | not going to install linux to run
> | an exotic browser to debug the IE or NS code, because I'll use IE or NS
> | for it.
> |
>
> well, it's up to you.
> Most likely, you do not believe in Linux desktop.
> Let's wait a little bit.
> Linux market share doubles from year over year.
> And already now it's market share is bigger then Apple (>5%).
> KDE is the leading Desktop Environment for Linux. And wether you like it or
> not, but it is (together with Konqueror) on 90% of Linux desktops.
>
> Please note: Konqueror is DOM-based browser.
> Mozilla/Netscape is DOM-based.
> NeoPlanet is going to release their NeoPlanet browser based on Mozilla code
> soon. (this quarter, I guess). It will run on Windows.
> DOM will get acceptance, not now but in year or two.
> When you make your code DOM-compliant, you make it compliant to any DOM-based
> browser.
>
> BTW: about exotic browsers.
> You can take a look at Galeon (http://galeon.sourceforge.net)
> Supporting DOM you will support it as well.
>
> So, let's make clear: I agitate here not for Konqueror, but for Web Standards
> (DOM, CSS, XML)
>
> | Pascal Bestebroer
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | http://www.dynamic-core.net
>
> P.S. Linux is not difficult to install, not at all.
> I can recommend to take Linux Mandrake 7.2 which will automatically install
> you XFree86 (X-Windows) and KDE 2.0 in less then 14 minutes.
> I run dual-boot configuration, Win98 + Linux.
> Are guess you are located in Europe?
> So, you should have no problems buying it near you.
>
> Look at www.linux-mandrake.com for details.
> If you have good internet connection, you can download it for free.
>
> --
>
> Vadim Plessky
> http://kde2.newmail.ru (English)
> http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian)
> Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it!
> http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
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