> Well, I clearly indicated that I subscribed to DynApi mailing
> lists to get it
> working with Konqueror (and other DOM-compliant web browsers)
DOM compliance is what we want aswell, and Mozilla is the subject of our
tests.. if Konqueror supports full DOM, it will be compatible
automatically.. no need to do extra platform checks.
> That's why I am here. If you are interested in Konqueror, you can
> subscribe
> to kfm-devel mailing list.
> See http://www.kde.org for details.
My point was, that no-one seems to use it (at least no one that
participated) and it's not used by the big audience, this might change..but
for now it's reality. and focusing on a browser that is hardly used while
we still have bugs on browsers that ARE being used, doesn't sound right.
> When you report your Operating Sytem in UserAgent, you disclosure
> too much of
> your *private things*.
> Yes, MS IE and Netscape has "Windows" or "Mac" in userAgent.
> There was discussion on kfm-devel about userAgents.
> Finally peo9ple cam to conclusion that Konqueror's UserAgent
> should have X11,
> not Linux. (by default).
> UserAgent is fully configurable in Konqueror, it can emulate MS IE and
> Netscape, but you have to tune it for exact site.
I swear, my private things have nothing to do with this :)
The platform is rarely used in DynAPI, the Konqueror browser should work the
same on all linux type operating systems, so no need to check for them all.
The browser object is not a complete browser-sniffer solution.. it's used
for the DynAPI, and for now seems to cover everything needed.
Also I don't see the emulation of browsers as a good thing (same problem
with Opera) . The browser is only announcing it self as another browser, but
it
could still handle code differently.. so it's kind of a foolish thing to do
for browsers (my opinion ofcourse)
> Please remember that KDE (and Konqueror) runs not only on Linux,
> but also on
> FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SGI Irix.
> In most cases, it runs over different implementations of X-Windows.
> So, X11 in userAgent (or navigator.platform) is a good compromise.
>
> Look at http://espn.com. They check for platform to add StyleSheets (CSS).
Konqueror should still run in the same way on all those platforms, so no
need to detect the platform differences..
Once Konq. is stable enough (supporting all javascript and other stuff) we
might start giving some more time to it, but for now
this should be considered a exotic browser.. it's just not commonly used..
and if it supports DOM, DynAPI should eventually work with it anyway.
> It was sent to the list.
> IMHO it is very common practice - to discuss patch first, before
> applying it.
> In KDE critical patches need to be approved by key developers, before
> commitment.
> But, proposed patch for userAgent detection is not critical, at all.
That's what Sourceforge's patch area is for.. those patches are not
implemented, but are posted.. we can then track it ALOT easier then reading
all these posts.
> Well, it has double share of Opera, according to poll on Slashdot.org.
> >From 45000 people voted, 5% voted for Konqueror and less then 3%
> for Opera.
As stated before by others, Slashdot is mainly a linux targetted website..
so ofcousre people would
vote more for a pure-linux browser instead of a browser aimed more at Win32.
> BTW: 3 years ago all Netscape funs were saying the same you are
> saying now to
> me. "Netscape has 90% of browser market share. Microsoft can't make good
> browser. Netscape it *the* standard" and so on.
> Now, we have 85% share for MS IE (or even 91%, by some reports)
> So, let's wait a little bit. We will see who is right.
So no need for Konq. support now, because we would have to wait another 3
years :-)
> | > About : "should use Konquerer"
> | > Don't really understand what you are about.
> | > Or you mean "Konqueror"?
> |
> | Oh come on.. how old are you!?
>
> 29. :-)
> And you?
24, but I actuall understand that if someone writes Konquerer , the person
means Konqueror (especially in a discussion about Konqueror)
> well, it's up to you.
> Most likely, you do not believe in Linux desktop.
This is not a operating system war.. we're trying to get cross-browser dhtml
working.
> Please note: Konqueror is DOM-based browser.
> Mozilla/Netscape is DOM-based.
> NeoPlanet is going to release their NeoPlanet browser based on
> Mozilla code
> soon. (this quarter, I guess). It will run on Windows.
> DOM will get acceptance, not now but in year or two.
> When you make your code DOM-compliant, you make it compliant to
> any DOM-based
> browser.
So we can make it DOM compliant according to NS6.. and Konq. will be
supported.. isn't life great :-)
> So, let's make clear: I agitate here not for Konqueror, but for
> Web Standards
> (DOM, CSS, XML)
Just face it, webstandards are non-existing.. Before DOM1 was finished,
DOM2 was already being created.
The only thing we can do, is try to create code that simply works on
browsers.
> P.S. Linux is not difficult to install, not at all.
> I can recommend to take Linux Mandrake 7.2 which will
> automatically install
> you XFree86 (X-Windows) and KDE 2.0 in less then 14 minutes.
> I run dual-boot configuration, Win98 + Linux.
> Are guess you are located in Europe?
> So, you should have no problems buying it near you.
No problems installing it.. but it won't run any of my windows
applications/games I haven grown so used to :)
And having two OS's just to have them, is not really what I'm looking for.
Pascal Bestebroer
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