Assalamo Alaikum all
Every now and then, at one forum or other, we start discussing the detriorating standards of NED; some people talk very enthusiatcially, others talk like nothing can be done now and blah blah; but the result is always the same. Discussion ends without any conclusions.
Everybody knows the problems, the actucal question is how to solve the problems. So please, if you really think that you can do something for NED, come forward and do it. If u cant do anything please dont debate just keep quiet.
I know that some of the people here already have tried a lot and have failed for one reason or another, but if u cant do anything via one channel, please try to use some other. Try to find out those (teachers as well as students) who really want to improve the situation and see how can u help those people in achieving their goals.
Blaming, arguing, debating will give us nothing. Please reply only, if u do have a suggestion in which u can take an active part.
Wassalam
Ghazanfar Monir
EE (94-95)
>From: "Faisal N. Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ECN <
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>Subject: Re: ECN: NED University Deteriorating Standards
>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:54:46 -0800 (PST)
>
>Irrespective of putting blame on one another or this student, lets analyze this simple situation
>
>1 - A university admitted a student from NED. This is to say that this student's credentials, which he according to himself was in top-10 in his class, were recognized/trusted by the institute to be according to their standards.
>
>2 - The student failed to perform and now in a desparate situation.
>
>Trusting the student to be hardworking and intelligent, as was shown on his undergrad transcript, either
>
>1 - The university Failed to polish his skills upto the standards
>2 - The university system is flawed that let him be propelled to that place.
>
>Maybe it goes without explaining that doors for other bright students of NED are probably now closed for a long time at this student's current grad university. One more place where NED is perhaps now blacklisted ....
>
>Regards,
>Faisal
>
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ASA
>
>I request u ppl to please pay attention to my email content
>what I have send to this group.I havent mentioned that
>Nedians r not getting RA/TAs in TOP RANKING schools neither
>I have mentioned that whole of my situation is just becoz of
>NED and please dont be rude or harsh,try to be professional
>in attitude.I am not here to put all blame on NED but its a
>matter of shame for me nowadays whats going on in NED.Please
>dont make remarks abt anyone without knowing abt him,his
>situation,may be I havent discussed many of my personal
>problems here.
>
>As someone is mentioned abt top ranking schools,I am very
>sorry to say that no NEDian is able to get admission in top
>schools nowadays from electrical and computer side.Top
>Ranking schools here I mean MIT,Stanford,UT Austin here.I
>donno abt civil,mechanical and other disciplines.
>
>At present I know abt 20 to 25 cases from NED electrical
>computer who got rejected.Students with very good
>grades,very high percentile in TOEFL,GRE,but they were not
>able to get admission there as compared to GIK,UET
>candidates.
>
>One of my friend from GIK is in UT Austin.I have got a
>chance to meet his advisor.I have told him that I am from
>NED.I have asked him that y ur graduate committee usually
>reject our candidates.He told me becoz of low
>percentages,lack of any research background/or proper
>practical experience in the relevant field and most
>important SUB STANDARD letters of recommendation.All Letters
>r just like cut copy paste of one another.
>
>Lemme explain this to u one by one,y this happens
>
>Lack of good percentages:
>1.Students usually dont pay attention to the subject becoz
>they dont know the significance of that subject,some told
>them to take EE or CS becoz IT is hot in the market now they
>admitted to the university and run like wild horses
>throughout their course duration and the annual system and
>course exam format is like that no one cares till the end of
>the session.
>2.Secondly I didnt want to mention that here,but its a truth
>-biased behavior of faculty members.If someone do something
>wrong with any teacher in NED
>like passing comments in the class or making noise,not
>listening to the teacher,no teacher ever tried to find it
>out y this going on,instead he or she marks his name and
>determine in his/her heart
>to fail him in order to sit in the supplementary exam.I
>myself know some people who were very cool minded as
>faculty members but before departing for MS,they especially
>instructed the other teacher who was going to take his/her
>place that fail this candidate fail that one.Simultaneously
>some students are hot favorites of some instructors in such
>an extent that even they tell them some important
>topics/questions which will be coming in the exam.
>3. Thirdly there r some students with ultimate goal just
>taking the degree,usually those who come on any quota basis.
>4.Some old instructors r in the habit of giving less marks
>and more failure rate in any course becoz they think its a
>standard thing to do.
>
>
>Lack of research background/proper work experience.
>
>Mostly,I am not saying all,NED students only know the
>spelling of Research,and they think is that research is
>something is to cut copy paste from the internet and produce
>a document or report or whatever and on top of that most
>faculty members have nothing to do with any research.I can
>assure you that they even dont know how to write a research
>proposal and no one is interested in learning that for
>students becoz I am very sorry to say that mostly faculty in
>NED is just becoz of the fact they have to depart for MS so
>staying here instead of 9 to 5 job,or just becoz of the fact
>that they were not getting any good opportunity outside the
>university or becoz they r doing MS in the NED so they r
>forced by the dean or chairperson to teach in the departemnt
>otherwise they will get into trouble in thir MS so they r
>forced to do that and trying to stay in the department by
>making the chairperson/Dean happy by spying,whos talking
>against him or not,chairperson is busy in making VC happy to
>become a Dean and so on.
>
>Lack of good letter of recommendations
>
>I myself is an example of this scenario.My final year
>advisor told me to write a letter of recommendation
>myself,he just signed it,not read a single word,becoz I knew
>that he cant write a proper recommendation.
>There r some faculty members who try to avoid giving letter
>of recommendations becoz they think its a hassle for them to
>write.They usually take one to two months to deliver their
>letter of recommendation becoz they r the chairperson.
>
>Students are like canvases,whatever u paint on them,it will
>show sometime in the future.I have taught in pakistan more
>than 7 years and here in US as well.It depends how teacher
>present himself/herself as a good model to follow his/her
>suit or his/her saying.I have taught ppl in Karachi,who were
>criminals involved in 2 3 cases,but they have paid a lot of
>respect to me and they have listened to me.
>
>If my email hurts anyone,I am sorry but these r the facts
>which I am forced to say becoz of so much criticism abt my
>goat like personality without knowing me.
>
>Thanks
>best regards
>Manzoor
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