Well, I will not appreciate the complete blame on the students for not being active or sincere to their studies nor on the teachers for their irresponsible behaviour. Ofcourse problem lies at both the ends and most importantly the infrastructure of our Education System. Anyhow......still something is really missing in NED teaching staff section. My experience as a student of NED answers me that missing item is �Professional Approach�. Professional approach can really change the attitude of student towards the Engineering subject. Teachers must be very well hand on trained to link theoretical concept with practical approach. Atleast, the feeling must be developed in the mind of student regarding the subject lecture deliv! ered in classroom. This can be done with the help of practical labs linking the theory, working on simulation software, subject related projects, complete debugging of project, practical results presentation on applets, details of industrial design features and some practical sort out literature from datasheets.
Apart from this, new trend of hiring fresh graduates as a lecturer is increasing a lot in NED. From one aspect it seems to be a good strategy because this young blood will be more enthusiastic as well as completely aware of the hard core problems faced by the students. But -on the another end I personally feel this is not at all professional attitude or the fair deal with the students as well as with the subject. Each and every Engineering subject demands in depth experience and practical touchy style.
It might be much beneficial if the hardware and software project responsiblity is given to this young blood rather than class of 60+ students with any professional Engineering subject.
Best regards,
Faisal (EL 98-99)
Arsalan Jawed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear All, salams!
Students unwilling to put their faith on the teachings
of NED, is indeed a fact. Students do not usually
realize that the stuff they are being taught is very
practical until they see some of its applications. On
the part of the students, its quite legitimate to feel
this way! No wonder they have no idea that the
CAO-2(Computer Architecture and Organization) sci-fi
parallel processing literature can actually be put to
some implementation (there are some companies in
Islamabad working on this).
NED used to have two kinds of teachers in my times.
First kind, purely theoretical teachers having nothing
to do with any sort of industry and would make you
memorize some awkward EMF(electromagnetic field)
equations. Other kind included pure-researchers who
never believed that teaching is an excercise which
req! uires disciplined effort and they teach in the same
haphazard manner they do research in some domestic
industry. By no means, i mean to offend our respected
teachers!
Students usually do not like both kinds, because none
of these them can keep a balance between theoretical
and practical learning curves. To keep students
interests kicking, hardcore theory should always be
backed up with some implementation examples etc - for
this purpose its teachers responsibility to have
persistent contacts with local industry, atleast.
NUST-EME and UET-Lahore have implemented the same
thing successfully.
By the way, the EMF equations can come in really handy
when one picks to do something in areas like
microwave!
best regards,
Arsalan Jawed
CS 1996-97
--- Saqib Ilyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> There is a reason you couldnt blame NED here. Myself
> being a teacher here, even if I try to make my> students realize the importance of a certain
> subject, or a certain study technique, most of them
> are stubburn and unwilling. I accept that many of my
> co-workers here are and have been irresponsible.
> However, a certain amount of responsibility lies
> with the student as well, to do justice to his or
> her studies.
> Flames to /dev/null.
> Regards
>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Assalam alaikum
>
> I am really impressed by Dr. Aamir thoughts,I myself
> an
> NEDian and I have studied MS Engineering here in
> US.I have
> done BE in Computer Engineering from NED .You have
> mentioned
> all those issues what I think,but I am very sorry to
> say
> that no one will pay attention on these issues in
> Pakistan.
> The problems what I am facing here at present,I
> think 60% to
> 70% of it just becoz I ! havent done any thing
> significant at
> my undergrad level except memorizing the stuff and
> filling
> many copies in exams to get good marks,although I
> have
> completed all relevant courses in my BE which are
> required
> to go for my Engineering major.I was in top ten in
> my final
> year BE result but now I am hardly maintaining GPA
> 3.0 at
> grad level.I have started research in wireless
> communications but after one semester my professor
> told me
> that I am not meeting his standards and therefore he
> cant
> allow me to continue research with him.It hurt me
> personally
> and financially as well.I was unable to get any
> RA/TA.I am
> an orphan and not from any financially sound
> family.Someone
> sponsored me from Pakistan for first semester in US
> becoz of
> my good grades and thats y I am here.I have worked
> hard but
> becoz of financial depression of paying the fees and
> lack of
> good background I have just completed my MS here
> with
> payable loan which I am still unable to pay fully so
> now
> university is not awarding me the masters degree. I
> had a
> plan to go for PhD but I think in this situation no
> school
> will accept me for PhD. These r the facts which no
> one
> realizes.Every one beats his own drum.I have seen
> Dr.Aamirs
> email on ECN so I thought to share my thoughts with
> all of
> you.
> Thanks
> Manzoor
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