>Women have always practiced domination and exploitation
>>>against others if they were living in societies were men were
>>>equally disfunctional
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>Will, where do you get your facts to support the claim you make in your
>first statement?

I was quoting from, and giving a rave review of vera's post, and probably
should have made that clearer. I can think of lots examples where this is
true though.  Serbian women blocking food delivery to moslems and croats in
bosnia comes to mind as a recent sad and graphic case. I think of queen
elizabeth I, or catherine the great or maggie thatcher, but none of these
examples proves that it is ALWAYS the situation, but it is hard for me to
picture a society in which the men practiced domination and exploitation
and the women have absolutely no part in or of it. Can you think of an
example of such a society?

                                                will



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>From: will bason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 9:24 AM
>Subject: Re: people as groups - gender and violence
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>>>I disagree with you in the following way:
>>>Women have always practiced domination and exploitation
>>>against others if they were living in societies were men were
>>>equally disfunctional. This is not to say that women have not
>>>been oppressed based on their category as women, but
>>>that women are part of a variety of categories simultaneously,
>>>and as such they have acted as both oppressed and oppressors,
>>>both as victims of violence and as perpetrators.
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>>Vera,  thank you very much for this and the well reasoned, balanced, kind
>>hearted and articulate essay that followed.  I honestly feel some change
>>and healing taking place in me simply from reading it.  It makes me a
>>little more hopeful for our species. In addition to our violent tendencies,
>>we all so  share with each other some very lovely qualities that make our
>>faults worth working on.
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>>Will Bason
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