Hello Bertina,
could you plese tell me how to unsubscribe from ecofem?
Joanne
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>I as a meat eater do not condone deer hunting but neither am I about to
>call them deer people. People who like deer?
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>Curiouser and curiouser,
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>Bertina
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>On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> "if as
>> animals we are expected to respect other animals' lives *as our own*,
do
>> we regard herbivores as superior to carnivores?"
>>
>> I think you have raised a very good question here which I have also
dedicated
>> a lot of thought to, and to which I intend to dedicate more.
>>
>> I think raising these issues and really seriously thinking them
through will
>> at least have the following effect : for those who continue to choose
to eat
>> the flesh of animals contextually, it will get rid of the vast
Consumer
>> mentality towards "meat". I'm not inside other animals' heads, but I
doubt you
>> would find a consumer mentality within other animals. I suspect you
would find
>> extremely intricate sets of relationships and even "customs" of
respect
>> between different animals ...
>>
>> ...it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could
channel
>> predator and prey's nervous system through a linguistic filter to see
what
>> they would say about each other if they could speak ...
>>
>> ... i know with wolves, it is a lot more complex than wolf wanting
meat and so
>> killing moose indiscriminately .... there appears to be an entire
dance based
>> on all sorts of subtle factors ... a wolf may pursue and hunt a moose
for days
>> and then there is a lock of the eyes and in that, something is "said"
or
>> exchanged and suddenly the wolf gives up the pursuit. Something very
intense
>> seems to be going on here.
>>
>> In any case, outside of the insect world, the practice of completely
Enslaving
>> and Enclosing other animals just doesn't seem to happen.
>>
>> At the very least, if I kill a deer-person out in the wild, that
deer-person
>> has had an opportunity to live an ecstatic life of freedom out in the
open,
>> according to its species-thriving ... but if I (collectively) decide
to
>> capture that deer-person, force it to have children, enslave those
children
>> and make them live in confined quarters, genetically breed those
children to
>> deprive the person of its own natural selection, and keep them within
totally
>> unnatural, uncomfortable conditions, this is another matter
altogether, is it
>> not?
>>
>> I think there's a profound difference between a tribal person who
values
>> another animal-person as even of greater value than a human-person
and hunts
>> that animal-person, with great respect, regret, and attendance to its
beauty
>> as a being, and the average industrial consumer of meat, and for that
matter,
>> even the average pioneer consumer of meat. Western consumption of
meat is
>> still based on a widespread devaluation of all persons who are not
human-
>> persons.
>>
>> There's lots of ethical knots here, but I believe it is valuable to
engage
>> them.
>>
>> (un)leash
>>
>
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