Can you please tell me to?
At 04:49 PM 1/17/1999 PST, you wrote:
>Hello Bertina,
>could you plese tell me how to unsubscribe from ecofem?
>
>Joanne
>
>
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>>I as a meat eater do not condone deer hunting but neither am I about to
>>call them deer people. People who like deer?
>>
>>Curiouser and curiouser,
>>
>>Bertina
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>>On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>> "if as
>>> animals we are expected to respect other animals' lives *as our own*,
>do
>>> we regard herbivores as superior to carnivores?"
>>>
>>> I think you have raised a very good question here which I have also
>dedicated
>>> a lot of thought to, and to which I intend to dedicate more.
>>>
>>> I think raising these issues and really seriously thinking them
>through will
>>> at least have the following effect : for those who continue to choose
>to eat
>>> the flesh of animals contextually, it will get rid of the vast
>Consumer
>>> mentality towards "meat". I'm not inside other animals' heads, but I
>doubt you
>>> would find a consumer mentality within other animals. I suspect you
>would find
>>> extremely intricate sets of relationships and even "customs" of
>respect
>>> between different animals ...
>>>
>>> ...it would be interesting to see what would happen if we could
>channel
>>> predator and prey's nervous system through a linguistic filter to see
>what
>>> they would say about each other if they could speak ...
>>>
>>> ... i know with wolves, it is a lot more complex than wolf wanting
>meat and so
>>> killing moose indiscriminately .... there appears to be an entire
>dance based
>>> on all sorts of subtle factors ... a wolf may pursue and hunt a moose
>for days
>>> and then there is a lock of the eyes and in that, something is "said"
>or
>>> exchanged and suddenly the wolf gives up the pursuit. Something very
>intense
>>> seems to be going on here.
>>>
>>> In any case, outside of the insect world, the practice of completely
>Enslaving
>>> and Enclosing other animals just doesn't seem to happen.
>>>
>>> At the very least, if I kill a deer-person out in the wild, that
>deer-person
>>> has had an opportunity to live an ecstatic life of freedom out in the
>open,
>>> according to its species-thriving ... but if I (collectively) decide
>to
>>> capture that deer-person, force it to have children, enslave those
>children
>>> and make them live in confined quarters, genetically breed those
>children to
>>> deprive the person of its own natural selection, and keep them within
>totally
>>> unnatural, uncomfortable conditions, this is another matter
>altogether, is it
>>> not?
>>>
>>> I think there's a profound difference between a tribal person who
>values
>>> another animal-person as even of greater value than a human-person
>and hunts
>>> that animal-person, with great respect, regret, and attendance to its
>beauty
>>> as a being, and the average industrial consumer of meat, and for that
>matter,
>>> even the average pioneer consumer of meat. Western consumption of
>meat is
>>> still based on a widespread devaluation of all persons who are not
>human-
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> There's lots of ethical knots here, but I believe it is valuable to
>engage
>>> them.
>>>
>>> (un)leash
>>>
>>
>>
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