He may have got this from the older version of the Department of Labor's Employment outlook. The older one used to say that environmental science jobs would expand faster than average, with some estimates being very high. This, however, has dropped and this sector's growth is even with the average growth in jobs across all sectors. Hydrologists are now separated out and expectd to grow alot. However, these rates do not include conservation professionals, as this sector is expected to grow slower than average.
Here are some average salaries according to DOL with expected growth. Environmental Scientist $51,000 average growth Environmental engineer $47,000 much faster than average growth Conservation Scientist $52,000 slower than average growth Petroleum Engineer $60,000 Declining Current Report here: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm On Thu, October 25, 2007 1:15 pm, Mark Winterstein wrote: > Paul, > =20 > I'm curious about your estimate about "funding to create / maintain > thousan= > ds of new environmental science related jobs." Where did you get this > estim= > ate from? Is this anecdotal?=20 > =20 > Concerning the influence of opinions. If money is influencing their > opinion= > s then these are bad scientists. There is a methodology used in science to > = > help us remove our own bias from percieving the natural world and allow us > = > to understand the factors that control it. Data, and results from these > stu= > dies influence the opinions of scientists, not money. Because some > scientis= > ts might be greedy does not discredit the science behind the climate > change= > research; only more research can do that. =20 > =20 > I would think those that work for a vested private interest with a profit > m= > argin and investors to satisfy would have much more interest in allowing > mo= > ney to influence their opinons in research. I believe that has been shown > w= > ith the recent exposure of Exxon's interest in climate change research.=20 > =20 > Mark Winterstein=20 > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:06:11 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject:= > Re: Climate change funding> To: [email protected]> > Malcolm > Mccal= > lum wrote:> > > if PHDs' activities were primarily profit driven, then > they= > > > would be found in corporations paying much better than > > the low > pay= > (often less than 45K/yr) found at most> > universities upon graduation. > De= > spite this,> > graduates in environmentally relevant fields seek> > > academi= > c posts viewed as most prestigious. These> > facts seem to fly in the face > = > of the entire idea that> > scientific opinions are in some way driven by > th= > e> > availability of funds.> > Malcolm, I'll try to explain why I think > Glo= > bal Warming has been> a financial windfall issue for ecologists in the > sens= > e that it has> generated hundreds of millions of dollars in government > > fu= > nding to create / maintain thousands of new environmental > science > related= > jobs.> > In recent decades our universities have been cranking out> > thousa= > nds of new graduates in the environmental science > related fields. Most > of= > these graduates, like you said, "seek > academic posts".> > "Academic > post= > s" =3D jobs in our government owned institutions> (e.g. universities) & > age= > ncies (EPA, NOAA, USFWS, etc).> > What determines the number of available > e= > nvironmental> science related jobs in our government institutions & > > agenc= > ies?> > Answer: the availability of funds.> > What inspired Congress and > fo= > undations to award all this new > funding in recent decades? Answer: a > cons= > ensus of scientific > opinion that certain emerging environmental issues > (e= > .g. > ozone depletion, global warming, etc) must be immediately > > addressed= > (via funding researchers who work at the > government institutions & > agenc= > ies) to avert serious> environmental consequences.> > In this way, it > appea= > rs to me that scientific opinions are > substantially influenced by the > ava= > ilability of funds. > > Paul Cherubini> El Dorado, Calif. > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop > = > by today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Oc= > tWLtagline= > Malcolm L. McCallum Assistant Professor of Biology Editor Herpetological Conservation and Biology http://www.herpconbio.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
