I went to the website and found it to be not up-front about the fees and charges. I take this as a bad sign. There's a lot of text of the salesmanship variety, and that's not too impressive to me either.

Permaculture may be the greatest thing that's come along, but without detailed information it's hard to judge. I ran into the guy who started it in the late 1960's or early 1970's at big conference in Los Angeles, and came away from that encounter a bit uneasy about the guy. I don't know why these folks are timid about revealing the details, but maybe it's because they want me to pay for them? How much and what, exactly, do I get? How much additional training will I need, and how much will that cost me? In other words, what's the end-cost and the end-product?

WT

PS: A restoration ecologist of some repute once accused me of "keeping secrets." I told him that I didn't have any secrets and that my approach to ecosystem restoration and integration with human systems was not rocket science but required enough knowledge of the constituent disciplines to enable one to know what one didn't know and to avoid doing that. I invited him for coffee and asked him to ask away and I would not hold back any secrets from him. I told him I would be willing to follow up, but he never called back. The more one knows about the details, the better one can be at the art and science of ecosystem restoration, but I think I could convey most of the details required to carry out the concept in a few hours. The biggest problem seems to be the agronomic/horticultural concepts that many seem to believe are relevant to ecosystem restoration makes my approach seem so counterintuitive that they simply don't believe it. Now that it is apparently ok to post a call for participants in seminars, etc., maybe I should "institute" one and see how many takers I could get for how much money . . .


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