Ecolog:
My questions remain unanswered.
WT
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From: "Vladislav Davidzon" <[email protected]>
To: "Wayne Tyson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Permaculture + Leadership - Bring a friend FREE!
Wayne,
The core curriculum of a permaculture design training is contained in the
Permaculture Designer's Manual by Bill Mollison that you can pick up at a
public library or buy it for about $120. Permaculture is much bigger than
gardening or agriculture -- kinda like math is about a lot more than
building
briges.
What you said about being counter-intuitive to mainstream approaches is
exactly true. Functionally permaculture is a sustainable design science
rooted in patterns of nature. Learning to observe those patterns however
requires letting go of all the nonsense our society teaches us as "truth";
it's really really simple. For example, the same branching pattern of a
river is present in a tree and in every heart and body -- but we rarely
ask why -- and obviously that pattern serves a tremendous number of
design functions.
"As the world's problems are continuing to get ever more complicated, the
solutions remain embarassingly simple" (Bill Mollison). All the answers
are out there for us, as you likely know -- we're just not paying attention.
There is no woo-woo or anything to hide here… just very basic observation
skills that lead us towards reconnecting with nature in really profound and
meaningful ways.
-Vladislav
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Regenerative Leadership Institute
www.permaculturedesigntraining.com
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote:
I went to the website and found it to be not up-front about the fees and
charges. I take this as a bad sign. There's a lot of text of the
salesmanship variety, and that's not too impressive to me either.
Permaculture may be the greatest thing that's come along, but without
detailed information it's hard to judge. I ran into the guy who started it
in the late 1960's or early 1970's at big conference in Los Angeles, and
came away from that encounter a bit uneasy about the guy. I don't know why
these folks are timid about revealing the details, but maybe it's because
they want me to pay for them? How much and what, exactly, do I get? How
much
additional training will I need, and how much will that cost me? In other
words, what's the end-cost and the end-product?
WT
PS: A restoration ecologist of some repute once accused me of "keeping
secrets." I told him that I didn't have any secrets and that my approach
to
ecosystem restoration and integration with human systems was not rocket
science but required enough knowledge of the constituent disciplines to
enable one to know what one didn't know and to avoid doing that. I invited
him for coffee and asked him to ask away and I would not hold back any
secrets from him. I told him I would be willing to follow up, but he never
called back. The more one knows about the details, the better one can be
at
the art and science of ecosystem restoration, but I think I could convey
most of the details required to carry out the concept in a few hours. The
biggest problem seems to be the agronomic/horticultural concepts that many
seem to believe are relevant to ecosystem restoration makes my approach
seem
so counterintuitive that they simply don't believe it. Now that it is
apparently ok to post a call for participants in seminars, etc., maybe I
should "institute" one and see how many takers I could get for how much
money . . .
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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:15 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Permaculture + Leadership - Bring a friend FREE!
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