I too looked at the web site. My impressions were identical with Wayne's. David McNeely
---- Wayne Tyson <landr...@cox.net> wrote: > Ecolog: > > My questions remain unanswered. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vladislav Davidzon" <vladislav.david...@gmail.com> > To: "Wayne Tyson" <landr...@cox.net>; <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Permaculture + Leadership - Bring a friend FREE! > > > Wayne, > > The core curriculum of a permaculture design training is contained in the > Permaculture Designer's Manual by Bill Mollison that you can pick up at a > public library or buy it for about $120. Permaculture is much bigger than > gardening or agriculture -- kinda like math is about a lot more than > building > briges. > > What you said about being counter-intuitive to mainstream approaches is > exactly true. Functionally permaculture is a sustainable design science > rooted in patterns of nature. Learning to observe those patterns however > requires letting go of all the nonsense our society teaches us as "truth"; > it's really really simple. For example, the same branching pattern of a > river is present in a tree and in every heart and body -- but we rarely > ask why -- and obviously that pattern serves a tremendous number of > design functions. > > "As the world's problems are continuing to get ever more complicated, the > solutions remain embarassingly simple" (Bill Mollison). All the answers > are out there for us, as you likely know -- we're just not paying attention. > > There is no woo-woo or anything to hide here… just very basic observation > skills that lead us towards reconnecting with nature in really profound and > meaningful ways. > > -Vladislav > > -- > Regenerative Leadership Institute > www.permaculturedesigntraining.com > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Wayne Tyson <landr...@cox.net> wrote: > > I went to the website and found it to be not up-front about the fees and > > charges. I take this as a bad sign. There's a lot of text of the > > salesmanship variety, and that's not too impressive to me either. > > > > Permaculture may be the greatest thing that's come along, but without > > detailed information it's hard to judge. I ran into the guy who started it > > in the late 1960's or early 1970's at big conference in Los Angeles, and > > came away from that encounter a bit uneasy about the guy. I don't know why > > these folks are timid about revealing the details, but maybe it's because > > they want me to pay for them? How much and what, exactly, do I get? How > > much > > additional training will I need, and how much will that cost me? In other > > words, what's the end-cost and the end-product? > > > > WT > > > > PS: A restoration ecologist of some repute once accused me of "keeping > > secrets." I told him that I didn't have any secrets and that my approach > > to > > ecosystem restoration and integration with human systems was not rocket > > science but required enough knowledge of the constituent disciplines to > > enable one to know what one didn't know and to avoid doing that. I invited > > him for coffee and asked him to ask away and I would not hold back any > > secrets from him. I told him I would be willing to follow up, but he never > > called back. The more one knows about the details, the better one can be > > at > > the art and science of ecosystem restoration, but I think I could convey > > most of the details required to carry out the concept in a few hours. The > > biggest problem seems to be the agronomic/horticultural concepts that many > > seem to believe are relevant to ecosystem restoration makes my approach > > seem > > so counterintuitive that they simply don't believe it. Now that it is > > apparently ok to post a call for participants in seminars, etc., maybe I > > should "institute" one and see how many takers I could get for how much > > money . . . > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regenerative Leadership Institute" > > <feralmycel...@permaculture.me> > > To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:15 PM > > Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Permaculture + Leadership - Bring a friend FREE! > > > > > >> Hello friends, > >> > >> We're thrilled to announce an incredible promotion -- sign up for > >> any permaculture course before January 1st and bring a friend FREE - or > >> sign up by yourself and take a significant discount! > >> More details at http://www.permaculturedesigntraining.com > >> > >> Join an unforgettable program in leadership, permaculture and sustainable > >> design in California with the world's most renowned > >> instructors and change your life, your community and your planet. 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