The statement that "homosexuals have a fitness of zero," which is a true 
statement, implies nothing about desires, which cannot be known. It implies 
everything about reproductive rate, which, in a homosexual, is zero. Nothing 
about this topic, which is scientific in nature, should give offense, 
borderline or otherwise.

Tom Culliney

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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Schuler
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Exclusive homosexuality

Many of you seem to be implying that a "high" frequency of homosexuals in human 
populations must imply that there is an "inclusive fitness benefit"
for heterosexual individuals, and therefore you are implying that there is an 
adaptive explanation to homosexuality. This simply isn't true. Sexuality is 
complex, and we know that multiple genes interact to affect sexual preferences, 
sexuality, and sexual traits. Epistasis with linkage to a desirable trait can 
lead to the increased and maintained frequency of any trait that lowers the 
fitness of a population (whether it is ~3% or 10% doesn't matter). Any 
population genetics textbooks will have great examples of this. We know that 
there is individual variation in sexual preferences, even if we only divide it 
into 3 categories (straight, bisexual and homosexual); that is enough to 
maintain a frequency of individuals that are 100% homosexual. The 100% 
homosexual group can have a fitness of zero (non
reproductive) and never offer any fitness benefits to other individuals in the 
population. See the sickle cell anemia example and malaria.

The fact that there is variation in genes of sexual preference leads us to the 
conclusion that there can easily be variation in the phenotype. Social 
scientists have known this for a long time, it is called the Kinsey Scale (see 
more here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale>). Now that we have 
confirmed variation in sexual behavior, please stop assuming that all 
individuals who associate with "homosexual" behavior do not want to have 
children, and that all those who associate with heterosexual behavior have 
never acted on an alternative desire. The statement that "homosexuals have a 
fitness of zero" implies that you know that all homosexuals have no desire to 
have children, which simply is not true, and is borderline offensive.

I believe Wayne's original question has been answered, homosexual behaviors 
exist in other animals.

Matt




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