If someone is not taking higher math, they most definitely better be taking
some philosophy courses, especially in logic.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Andrew Wright <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I find this an interesting response given that the fundamental basis for
> creating and understanding statistical models. Linear regression is
> calculus of a form. Furthermore, creating the equations in spreadsheets
> (etc.) needed to handle big data, access and utilise hidden data and map
> data onto different geographical projections will all involve calculus.
>
> I see this as a lack of understanding in just what calculus actually is.
> However, perhaps the point here is that a 'maths for biologists' course
> shouldn't focus on one branch of maths, but address the varied needs of
> model ecologists and biodiversity researchers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> --
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> "We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to look after
> itself. What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we
> live in will be capable of sustaining us in it." Douglas Adams
>
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>
> On 20 October 2016 at 12:03, David Inouye <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Posting this for Erik Piikkila [email protected]
>>
>> I would like to suggest that taking a calculus course may not be the best
>> use of a student's time.  I think math and statistics are far more
>> important.
>>
>> Being able to count, measure and determine densities, abundance, cover
>> percentages, heights, and diameters are perhaps more important skills.
>>
>> Field orientation and navigation skills using maps, aerial photos,
>> satellite images, GPS, topography, geography and geology, are also perhaps
>> more important than calculus.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps more importantly, there are other courses or topics that should
>> occupy this time slot in one semester:
>>
>>
>>    - Ecosystems of the World.  How do local ecosystems fit in with other
>>    ecosystems in the same region, continent, other continents.  What are the
>>    similarities, differences, types, species, disturbance regimes, changes 
>> and
>>    threats
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Systems Theory and Application
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Interdisciplinary Research
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Finding Data (Hidden & Forgotten) in Archives, Libraries, Research
>>    & Experimental Sites, Theses & Online and look for Reports, Theses,
>>    Newsletters, Photo collections, Maps, Aerial Photos, & Databases:
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Tour Libraries & Archives at home institutions and view collections
>>    of historic, recent and current research
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Locate & Tour Local Community Archives & Museums
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Locate & Tour State & Federal Libraries & Archives
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Locate & Tour State & Federal Agency Archives:  Dept of Interior
>>    General Land Office Surveys 1812 - 1946
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Locate & Tour Corporate Libraries & Archives
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Link the above data sources and locations of data with on the
>>    ground research at research and experimental sites
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Long Term Ecological Research Networks (https://lternet.edu/) &
>>    National Ecological Observatory Network (NEON) (
>>    http://www.neonscience.org/)
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Big Data (http://harvardmagazine.com/20
>>    14/03/why-big-data-is-a-big-deal
>>    <http://harvardmagazine.com/2014/03/why-big-data-is-a-big-deal>)
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Efficient Searches on Google and Google Scholar
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Finding online sources of historic research and data
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Satellite Imagery
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Turn industrial scale data into ecological data
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Using Farming and Agriculture data to study and describe changes to
>>       prairie ecosystems and native grasslands
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Using forest harvesting and logging data to describe forested
>>       landscape change that would compliment satellite imagery and extend the
>>       data horizon beyond 1972 and into the early part of the 20th Century
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Forest harvesting and logging data can also be used to describe
>>       biological legacies especially at the forest stand level
>>
>>
>> My comments are NOT meant to denigrate or devalue calculus in any way.
>> Some have suggested that calculus has only cropped up once in 20 years.  As
>> a prime example of interdisciplinary research, a calculus expert could be
>> brought into the project if and when needed.
>>
>>
>> Erik Piikkila
>>
>>
>>
>


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