BRAVO Art Douglas!!  

Few would have the guts to call a shot like that!  Hopefully, there
will be many more such candid postings about the pros and cons of AS2
certification and related EDI/XML operational topics. 

For example, who else will weigh in on the issue of whether AS2
certification is necessary and/or desirable for AS2 implementations? 
What are the technical issues and. business concerns?  I am not an
expert (anymore) in the EDI arena, but Art's comments ring true to my
old ears.  What are the facts?

Robert Frank
(retired EDI consultant)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Andy,
>
>No, not all US companies are charging on a per-partner basis. 
Several of the early providers do, but as more and more AS2 packages
enter the market, the price and restrictions can be avoided.
>
>Another factor we have here is the Drummond Group Certification. 
Some of the largest retailers in the US require their AS2 partners to
use only AS2 packages that have achieved the very expensive Drummond
Certification.  Most suppliers that serve the retail market will sell
to these retailers. Drummond Group Certification is arguably
worthless, because AS2 either works or it does not.  There is no
reason for a software house to pay the exorbitant cost of
certification.  Obviously, others disagree.
>
>I use Softshare ECS as my communications executive.  ECS includes
AS2, as well as AS1 and AS3, at no additional cost.  In other words,
Softshare did not raise the price when they released the version with
ASx.  There are other providers in the states that also provide ASx
functionality at a reasonable cost, albeit uncertified by Drummond
Group, but using them to communicate with those particular TPs is
risking the account. 
>
>That is why some EDI users are constrained by the number of trading
>partners.  
>
>Art Douglas
>Manager, eCommerce Systems
>PaperPak
>San Dimas, CA
>909-971-5025
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Andy_Twigg
>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:01 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [EDI-L] Re: <Tech> Sears, Penney's AS2 usage
>
>Hi,
>
>This is my first foray into posting a message on this group.  I've 
>been reading (and chuckling at) some of the conversations over the 
>past few months.  I work for an EDI company in the UK and we 
>developed AS2 for our main comms product about 6 months ago.  
>
>My question is whether all the US companies are charging on a per-
>trading partner basis for their AS2 connections? - we currently have 
>an unlimited connection scheme for our product, are we missing a 
>trick?
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrew Twigg
>
>
>--- In [email protected], "Denise Tate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Are you looking at just retail companies using AS2? 
>>I do AS2 with McLane, Meijer, and Wal-Mart. Target also does AS2 
>>    
>>but I am out of licenses on my AS2 software and too expensive to add
more people.  
>  
>
>>Denise






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