I wonder if any of you have tried using Altova MapForce to bring your EDI in-house? We have a case study of a company doing the same using one IT resource here http://www.altova.com/cust_NFF.html
(Apologies for the shameless promotion!) Best regards, Liz Liz Andrews Technical Marketing Manager Altova, Inc. www.altova.com ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the person/entity to which they are addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the message. From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Truax Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:38 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] AS2 Well, there are plenty of people with plenty of expertise on this list that would love to help you bring it in-house. I'm not the type that's going to bother with some extremely detailed cost justifications, unless forced to do so. There are too many variables. All the "various issues" you mention have large costs just in time, and huge costs when mistakes are made. If those issues are going to be resolved, something is going to have to change - so what do we want to spend on fixing it? Do we WANT to bring it under our control, or do we just want to use a different service provider? Do we have under-worked IT staff that need some extra excitement after their morning coffee? We also sell mostly to big box retailers, but we don't have anywhere near that much sales revenue. We handle our EDI in-house, and I wouldn't have it any other way, but that's just me. As Art pointed out, there are options that don't cost a tremendous amount for a company your size. (assuming your margins aren't microscopic...) Travis- -----Original Message----- From: Adam West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:adamster%40yahoo.com> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:54 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ; Earl Wertheimer Subject: Re: [EDI-L] AS2 We sell to all of the major big box retailers. about $200M in sv. I can get further detailed scope about this if this is the way to try and figure out about AS2. One thing to mention is that we use a 3rd party to handle the EDI. However, they do not crash out the data for us, so that we have various issues that come up with the data a few times a week at least. Ranging from 860's that make no sense to alot of massaging of the data due to it being on an older file version. Now we are also considering to go in house but the costs of starting that up, I have no idea how to estimate this. THank you, Adam htt[://www.amsterdamcentral.net --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Earl Wertheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:earlw%40spe-edi.com> > wrote: From: Earl Wertheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:earlw%40spe-edi.com> > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] AS2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:adamster%40yahoo.com> , [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 11:09 PM Adam > To recap, I think it would be cost benefit for AS2 in the long term. > SOme of the variables are how large your transactions are per > partners. You have to be careful... It's not how large the transactions are. You probably mean the total amount of traffic, measured in Kilobits. You could have a jumbo ASN sent once a season. That's not 'large'. Since VANs usually charge by the Kilobit, you want to analyse your current volume and estimate how much money it's costing you now. If the VAN charges by document, then you have to take that into account. > If anyone could speak of the savings in detail that would be great. I am currently using IP*Works from nsoftware for my clients. For a single user, it's FREE (http://www.freeas2. com/ ) In order to add an additional license, you have to pay $600.00 USD for 5 licenses. That's $500.00 for the software and $100.00 for the maintenance. After that, it's $100.00 per year to be able to get updates. In the 2nd year, your cost is only $50.00 (2 TPs) to $20.00 (5 TPs) per TP (depending on how many TPs you have) In some cases, I've started with the free version and when necessary, I've asked the client to purchase the 5 license version. Some TPs may require 2 licenses ;-( (ie. Test and production) I would use the openas2 software, but I'm not familiar enough with Java, it's not 'Drummond certified' (what a lot of BS) and I don't mind spending the additional $$ to get some support. For this price, you get email support. Your additional cost would be your time to install and setup. You need a PC that is on 24/7. You need a fixed IP or a dynamic IP URL. You may need a port to be opened in your firewall. You have to generate and exchange security certificates on a regular basis (eg. every few years). Finally, you have to integrate IP*Works with your existing system. IP*Works requires a different folder for each TP, so you may have to write some scripts to move files around. You compare the AS2 cost (software & labour) against the current VAN charges to see what your savings (if any) are... If you are doing a lot of volume with a TP, then converting to AS2 may save you a lot of money... Veel geluk > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Klaus-Dieter Naujok <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> wrote: > From: Klaus-Dieter Naujok <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] AS2 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:16 PM > > On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Ricardo Johnson wrote: > > > If you think the phrase "..If you want it to be inexpensive and > > > easy, invest in Softshare ECS.." is not trying to sell anything or > > > 'was merely commenting on a huge misconception. .' then obvioulsy I'm > > > over reacting. Nevertheless, I do know when someone is trying to > > > sell something and I also imagine that there may be others in the > > > group that would like to sell other stuff too, but they don't out of > > > respect for the group. > > > > Ricardo, > > > > I fully share your sentiments regarding the constant promotions by Art > > of his services and product offerings which are skillfully crafted > > with in his responses. 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