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OK, that 2, only 22 hours left in the book. Any takers? ______________________________________________ Chris Cancilla From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:35 AM To: Dunham Craig E. Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Re: Check list for EDI daily monitoring Anyone want to write a book with me? Title: Learn EDI in 24 hours ;) - John http://EDITalk.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Dunham Craig E. <[email protected] <mailto:ced%40big5corp.com> > wrote: > > Rachel, Tyrone, Leah and any others.... > > I don't think that our poster is a consultant with a low bid, or a new hire > to be an "EDI Professional"... No, it's something other than that... > > Remember that many - MANY - MIS and IT related jobs have been ... > outsourced ... to countries with some decently intelligent and educated > people, but they may not have had the training, experience or knowledge to > do the job that they've had thrust upon them... In some cases, they're fresh > out of college or university with a degree in "Computer Science" (or > whatever it's being called) - and a very general and generic degree, at that > - with no specialized training in whatever program, application, system or > language that they're being hired to support. > > I'm going to make a huge leap into assumption land (ok, maybe it's not so > huge a leap!) and guess that our poster is from India. And is living in one > of the bigger cities in which a lot of the off-shore out-sourcing of MIS and > IT related professions has taken place. He (or she) maybe has worked for > this company that provides support for many years or just a few days. But, > no matter how long they've been there, they're being asked to use their > knowledge and ability to learn in something that they do not know and > probably have not even heard of... > > For our poster - just as everybody has said - EDI and Gentran are NOT quick > to learn and super simple... it takes years of experience and knowledge and > training to figure this out... it will not happen in an hour, 8 hours, a > day, a week or a year... As has been mentioned before - EDI is a constant > learning curve and process. Many of us have many years of experience doing > this (from 2 or 3 to 20 or 30!) and we're all still learning a new trick, > concept, program - every day. > > EDI - in theory - is pretty simple. Send this data from this system to that > system in a format that can be read by a translator. Deeper - take this > group of ones and zeros and HEX characters and transmit it to the trading > partner, where they will use the translation document/spec you've provided > to populate their system with the data from your system. > > I tend to like it to e-mail - taking one group of data from one entity and > transmit it - electronically - to another entity - who will read it and > react and respond. > > I know very little of Gentran - other than it can be very difficult to > learn and implement and grasp all the ins-and-outs of the program... I know > of people that do use it and they are constantly learning new things to > tweak it just that much better... > > Going off topic - just a bit - to out-sourcing... A very good friend of > Mine works for "The House of Mouse" (aka Disney)... He works at the theme > park in Anaheim, CA (Disneyland) and has been with them for over 25 years. > He related to Me a story a few years ago how Disney outsourced the "help > desk" jobs to some company in ... Bakersfield, I think. Anyway, within > Disney, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - has been "Disney-fied"... That > SAP or Oracle application? It's called "Donald" or "Pluto" or "Minnie" or > ... but you get the idea... Well, now imagine the ... dismay ... of the new > help desk "department" when some user calls up from ... say ... merchandise > control ... and is having a problem with their "Mickey" system - or HR is > having problems with "Daisy" - and lest we forget accounting with "Chip" and > "Dale".... Here's this help desk employee being thrust into a world that > they just do not know or understand... > > And off topic on another front - a while back, there was a thread regarding > the "importance of degrees" - it started off as a <JOBS> posting and delved > into the topic of higher education and degrees... This situation can be a > classic example of having that wonderful piece of paper (the degree) and yet > not knowing A THING about what your degree is in.... > > Ah, the times, they are a changin'.... > > Craig E. Dunham > EDI Coordinator > EYE Analyst > > Re: Check list for EDI daily monitoring < > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/message/24132;_ylc=X3oDMTJyN2FscG04BF9TA zk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIxMDc2NzYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA1NTgyBG1zZ0lkAzI0MTMyBHNlY wNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMzI2MjE5MTQ- > > > Posted by: "Rachel Foerster" > Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:55 pm (PST) > It continues to boggle my mind why there are folks who have somehow either > been assigned to or hired to provide the services of a highly skilled and > expert EDI professional. And then some of these folks broadcast a plea to > this group asking how to "come up to speed" right away as if this is just a > simple thing to do. > > I view this as the same as someone saying they've just been hired to > write/maintain, etc. application programs written in COBOL and want to > learn > COBOL is 3 easy steps - or something else equally complex. > > Oh well . . . .might as well as how to build a rocket to the moon is 7 easy > pieces as well. > > Rachel Foerster > > From: EDI-L On Behalf Of Leah Halpin > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:47 AM > To: rdhaprakasam2003; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com <EDI-L%2540yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Check list for EDI daily monitoring > > Just curious, why are you being asked to do a job you're completely > unqualified for? > > Leah > > Posted by: "Tyrone Lumley" > Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:57 pm (PST) > *sigh* > > I hate to be a hater, but why do I get the feeling this guy just took a > consulting gig for a very low price ? Maybe not, I've been wrong before. > Really. > > Like others have said, there are no shortcuts. In it's essence, EDI is > kinda like E-mail combined with a database. To understand mapping, you have > to understand database schemas and structure, business rules and logic, some > programming, etc. Once you get that, you have to know the tool you are using > really well. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! 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