I've never seen that in a contract either, and Michael I understand what you are saying, however, if it's a 6 month contract and you don't get paid until the end of that 6 months, what do you live on? If it's insisted on, then break it into monthly deliverables or some other unit of measure acceptable to both and you are to get paid within 10 days of that deliverable or something like that. If that's not acceptable, then I too would pass on that contract.
Dave Records Records Consulting, LLC Email: [email protected] On Apr 6, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Michael Mattias/LS wrote: > 4/6/11 > > I put stuff like this in my development contracts all the time... and I'm > the one who wrote those terms. > > HOWEVER... > > I include a paragraph like this... oh, heck let me see if I can just cut and > paste one for you... yeah, here's the applicable paragraph from my > "boilerplate" software development contract.... > > "I. Warranty. > Programming errors reported in writing to Contractor within ninety (90) days > of final delivery of the software shall be corrected at no cost to CLIENT > except for shipping and/or media charges; such correction shall be supplied > within 30 days of said notice. This warranty shall terminate immediately at > Contractor's discretion if changes are made to the source or object code of > the software by Client or its designated agent other than Contractor. > Programming errors are defined as conditions which prevent CLIENT from > utilizing the software as specified in the documentation, or errors in the > documentation. Desirable additions to the features and functions of the > software, regardless of utility, are not considered programming errors; nor > are changes required to the software as a result of CLIENT's elective use of > new or modified releases of operating systems or utilities, new computers, > or government mandates. Programming errors reported after the expiration of > the warranty period are the responsibility of CLIENT. " > > Of course, this requires good documentation, which I generally supply as the > FIRST "deliverable" and client must approve before I begin work. The > documentation itself often is a 'payment point' .. that is, the client owes > 'something' for it. > > Another thing I will add when I suspect "client internal testing" may get > put on the back burner is like "Software shall be considered accepted if no > report of errors is received within thirty days of delivery" - if you don't > report an error in thirty days, there are no errors. (Above reads ninety > but I often change that to thirty) > > I don't think you should have a problem agreeing to customer acceptance > testing as long as you time-limit the test period relative to delivery. > > You do realize this is all moot if you ship what was ordered and it 'works > as advertised', right? > > Michael C. Mattias > Tal Systems Inc. > Racine WI > [email protected] > > Michael C. Mattias > Tal Systems Inc. > Racine WI > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve hoff" <[email protected]> > To: "Rich Silva" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> - To all Contractors out there > > I have been doing this a while and I have never had to put that in a > contract nor would I. > > Hoff Professional Consulting > President/Director of IT > Phone- 519-348-0895 > Fax - 425-732-1861 > Cell - 519-276-0489 > E-mail - [email protected] > > ________________________________ > From: Rich Silva <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2011 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> - To all Contractors out there > > Or those of you with Contracting experience OK, any of you . Feel free to > chime in > > A prospective client of mine (their lawyers anyway) have asked that I add a > clause to Exhibit A of the Contractors Agreement (Exhibit A, in their case > is basically the place where I put in my billing terms ) that goes something > like > > payment is not due until testing has been approved and completed > > I have a lot of issue with this, not only because it holds up payment on the > entire contract until the end (and I am in no condition to support that) but > because it also leaves me no leverage if they decide to withhold payment > (for any reason) Id have made my deliveries and its not like I could > remove them (Other than legal). > > Not to mention that Now I/we will have to negotiate and agree on > Acceptance Criteria which so far has been loosely make it work > > (For a bit of context, its a multi month contract Currently labeled as a > Phase 1 (of at least three) And both sides (myself and my contacts within > the company) are hoping that this turns into a long friendly relationship > > I was curious if any of you have seen anything like this > > And if any of you have some alternative positions I might offer while I > negotiate around this issue? > > Thanx, > > Rich > > Description: Wizard Clip Art SigRichard Silva > > Silva Software Services United States > > Phone: (310) 387-8364 > > Email: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > > ü Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > ... > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> > IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! 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