With Due respect to all the Smart guys on the bus and the driver and the not so smart guys ( dumb is kinda harsh)
"The guys who specify AS/2 for no other reason than it is the "latest and greatest? ..Those are the guys who were smart in school but dumb on the bus." The largest retailer in the World seems to have done OK with AS2 for nearly 10 years now and they have nothing to do with either SPS nor GXS ;) Earl it was nice meeting you over the weekend and I kind of agree with your view on " Strangely, the person who wrote the AS/2 RFC also runs the company charging thousands for Compliance testing of AS/2 software. "The best thing about standards, is that there are so many to pick from should be replaced with "The best standard is the one we wrote"." AS2 is just one p2p standard but even http or ftp or their secure versions https or ftps could do the job and we definitely don't need the VAN. Travis hit it on the head here- a 5 minutes certificate exchange every 10 days cannot be the reason to pay thousands of dollars to a VAN especially if you have 100 trading partners as one of the previous comments alluded to being the main reason the VAN made business sense. "I think it's great compared to a VAN. Spending <5 minutes to swap out a certificate for a partner every 2-10 years isn't so big of a deal for us, it's free, instant, I don't have to request interconnects, no questions about the integrity of our data, etc. Not so worried about the encryption part - plain old direct FTP would be fine with me also... I can see how different companies would like or dislike it, though- and besides certificates, partners sometimes have IP & port changes, however rare. (But then so do VANs, I suppose.) Travis- " If AS2 has all these problems as alluded to in some of the posts here then I have a question - would the largest retailer in the world not moved to the VAN from AS2 in 10 years? Thanks Vijay From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Truax Sent: June 13, 2013 2:15 PM To: Michael Mattias/LS Cc: EDI-L Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Re: Loren Data vs. GXS.... The EDI Saga... I see your point and I agree that it's valid in some cases (perhaps many), but I don't see how it can broadly be applied to partners that require AS2... I think Wal-mart has a fairly sweet setup. It works very well from my perspective. Travis- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mattias/LS" <[email protected] <mailto:mcmlserve%40talsystems.com> > To: "EDI-L" <[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:48:45 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Re: Loren Data vs. GXS.... The EDI Saga... 6/13/13 >It always amazes me when you bring logic into the discussion, where's the fun in that? Well, let me try to make a point with a little fun.... I see an awful lot of technical brilliance, high-power talent and engineering marvel go into solving simple problems; but too often that becomes simply Rube Goldberg on steroids. It's like that cartoon which I know is floating around the Internet somewhere: "What the customer wanted" was swing made of an old tire, a piece of rope and tree branch; but other people saw things totally differently, up to an including a complete amusement park. The guys who specify AS/2 for no other reason than it is the "latest and greatest?" Those are the guys who were smart in school but dumb on the bus. Michael C. Mattias Tal Systems Inc. Racine WI [email protected] <mailto:mmattias%40talsystems.com> ------------------------------------ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
