Hello all, I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in and share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the monthly Collab meetings.
Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's make sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline, and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for framing this: * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience? * What can others learn from this experience? * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience? * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions). Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in Phabricator then!) I look forward to a great meeting in December! Floor Koudijs Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) [email protected] education.wikimedia.org On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-) > > 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: > >> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small >> "brainstorming" with me. :-) >> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the >> project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and important >> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off >> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons >> Sara mentioned. >> >> Cheers, >> Shani.. >> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we can >>> make good use out of. >>> >>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this is >>> great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open and >>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however I've >>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on >>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel like >>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or mistakes >>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the >>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps we >>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought I'd >>> share my thoughts on that. >>> >>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also remember >>> Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some of you >>> attended their workshop?), >>> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was their >>> representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he already has >>> some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a non-profit part of a >>> corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs, I know >>> they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about them once >>> that film is out. >>> >>> Looking forward to our next meeting! >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> >>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a discussion >>>> about doing something like that. >>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as >>>> well as WMF EDU team. :) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Shani. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Shani >>>>> >>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J >>>>> >>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha. >>>>> >>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share >>>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free digital >>>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can >>>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case? >>>>> >>>>> 2) Can be scalable? >>>>> >>>>> 3) About results and suggestions >>>>> >>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know more? >>>>> >>>>> Like the exercise of pitching >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it in a >>>>> very short time ;) >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Hugs, >>>>> >>>>> Meli >>>>> >>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Shani, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a video is >>>>>> going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I love the idea of >>>>>> being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) to join the >>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for this would be >>>>>> to >>>>>> have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video locally. The >>>>>> interviews could be done during Collab meetings or during Wikimania while >>>>>> in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together. >>>>>> >>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia >>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a handful >>>>>> of >>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of >>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they started >>>>>> using >>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for the >>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from India >>>>>> for adding on to the video. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Netha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech! >>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it can >>>>>>> be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing online and >>>>>>> editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I see is >>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, let's >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better than >>>>>>> nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to allow >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their programs. >>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and >>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), the >>>>>>> level >>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a specific >>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to >>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all you >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y created a >>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen >>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow knowledge >>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very >>>>>>> little. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, I'll >>>>>>> continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's not, and >>>>>>> other share the need for more details, then let's do something about - >>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step in the >>>>>>> right direction. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is too >>>>>>> much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a maximum of >>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>> minutes but that's just my personal view. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video >>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global >>>>>>> nature >>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a lot of >>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál >>>>>>> >>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board >>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz >>>>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter >>>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for >>>>>>>> December & January*. >>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be >>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance. >>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can >>>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about a >>>>>>>> need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like to >>>>>>>> propose >>>>>>>> using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we can use the >>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>> 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific project / initiative >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 minute explanation >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> the project and 5 minutes for questions. >>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences will >>>>>>>> benefit everyone. >>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be >>>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't have >>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software for >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of >>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but even >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from things >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an >>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should document >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link them >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to >>>>>>>> promote >>>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do during >>>>>>>> our meetings?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at the >>>>>>>> WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about* >>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and the >>>>>>>> WMF >>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official >>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the Wiki >>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, or >>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really need >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that we >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> doing here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone! >>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll >>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo> >>>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to participate >>>>>>>>> in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly >>>>>>>>> Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016. >>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time in >>>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as >>>>>>>>> many of you as possible online. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team. >>>>>>>>> Participate now >>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn> >>>>>>>>> What is Doodle? 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