Wonderful! :-) Anyone else who wants to be part of this..? On 1 Dec 2015 16:43, "Netha Hussain" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Shani, > > I am not a videographer or a script writer, but I would like to help with > this project in all ways I can. I can provide helping hands in transcribing > and subtitling the video. > > -Netha > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Floor Koudijs <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> /me looks at Sara??? :) >> >> >> Floor Koudijs >> >> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program >> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) >> >> +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) >> >> [email protected] >> >> education.wikimedia.org >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Floor. >>> >>> So great to have the team support this! Loved everyone's ideas and >>> really happy to collaborate with such a great bunch. >>> >>> Naturally, I'm in for the general video production, but would love to >>> work on this with maybe 1-2 more volunteers. So, who's in..? :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shani. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Floor Koudijs <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in and >>>> share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the monthly >>>> Collab meetings. >>>> >>>> Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's >>>> make sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too >>>> short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be >>>> perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline, >>>> and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for >>>> framing this: >>>> * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience? >>>> * What can others learn from this experience? >>>> * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience? >>>> * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with >>>> (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions). >>>> >>>> Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That >>>> sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a >>>> long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to >>>> dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a >>>> request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if >>>> (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance >>>> as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to >>>> see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more >>>> sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab >>>> members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in >>>> Phabricator then!) >>>> >>>> I look forward to a great meeting in December! >>>> >>>> >>>> Floor Koudijs >>>> >>>> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) >>>> >>>> +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> education.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-) >>>>> >>>>> 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small >>>>>> "brainstorming" with me. :-) >>>>>> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the >>>>>> project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and >>>>>> important >>>>>> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off >>>>>> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons >>>>>> Sara mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Shani.. >>>>>> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we >>>>>>> can make good use out of. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this >>>>>>> is great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however I've >>>>>>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on >>>>>>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or >>>>>>> mistakes >>>>>>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the >>>>>>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> share my thoughts on that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also >>>>>>> remember Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps >>>>>>> some of >>>>>>> you attended their workshop?), >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was >>>>>>> their representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he >>>>>>> already has some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a >>>>>>> non-profit >>>>>>> part of a corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low >>>>>>> costs, I >>>>>>> know they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> once that film is out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to our next meeting! >>>>>>> Sara >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a >>>>>>>> discussion about doing something like that. >>>>>>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as >>>>>>>> well as WMF EDU team. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shani >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share >>>>>>>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free >>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can >>>>>>>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) Can be scalable? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) About results and suggestions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know >>>>>>>>> more? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like the exercise of pitching >>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it >>>>>>>>> in a very short time ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hugs, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Meli >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Shani, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a >>>>>>>>>> video is going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I >>>>>>>>>> love the >>>>>>>>>> idea of being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> join the Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> would be to have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video >>>>>>>>>> locally. The interviews could be done during Collab meetings or >>>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>>> Wikimania while in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia >>>>>>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a >>>>>>>>>> handful of >>>>>>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of >>>>>>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they >>>>>>>>>> started using >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from >>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>> for adding on to the video. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> Netha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech! >>>>>>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it >>>>>>>>>>> can be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing >>>>>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>>>>> and editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I >>>>>>>>>>> see is >>>>>>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, >>>>>>>>>>> let's see >>>>>>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better >>>>>>>>>>> than nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to >>>>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>>> people time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their >>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and >>>>>>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), >>>>>>>>>>> the level >>>>>>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a >>>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to >>>>>>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all >>>>>>>>>>> you know >>>>>>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y >>>>>>>>>>> created a >>>>>>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen >>>>>>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow >>>>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very >>>>>>>>>>> little. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, >>>>>>>>>>> I'll continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's >>>>>>>>>>> not, >>>>>>>>>>> and other share the need for more details, then let's do something >>>>>>>>>>> about - >>>>>>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> right direction. :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is >>>>>>>>>>> too much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a >>>>>>>>>>> maximum of >>>>>>>>>>> 10 minutes but that's just my personal view. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video >>>>>>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global >>>>>>>>>>> nature >>>>>>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a >>>>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board >>>>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter >>>>>>>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for >>>>>>>>>>>> December & January*. >>>>>>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be >>>>>>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can >>>>>>>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about >>>>>>>>>>>> a need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> propose using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we >>>>>>>>>>>> can use >>>>>>>>>>>> the first 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific >>>>>>>>>>>> project / >>>>>>>>>>>> initiative from around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 >>>>>>>>>>>> minute >>>>>>>>>>>> explanation about the project and 5 minutes for questions. >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences >>>>>>>>>>>> will benefit everyone. >>>>>>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be >>>>>>>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> have to be >>>>>>>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software >>>>>>>>>>>> for that >>>>>>>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of >>>>>>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but >>>>>>>>>>>> even if >>>>>>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from >>>>>>>>>>>> things that >>>>>>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an >>>>>>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should >>>>>>>>>>>> document only >>>>>>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link >>>>>>>>>>>> them on >>>>>>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to >>>>>>>>>>>> promote >>>>>>>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do >>>>>>>>>>>> during our meetings?* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at >>>>>>>>>>>> the WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>> about* >>>>>>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and >>>>>>>>>>>> the WMF >>>>>>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official >>>>>>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki >>>>>>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, >>>>>>>>>>>> or a few >>>>>>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really >>>>>>>>>>>> need and >>>>>>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that >>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>> doing here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone! >>>>>>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> participate in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU >>>>>>>>>>>>> Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time >>>>>>>>>>>>> in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as >>>>>>>>>>>>> many of you as possible online. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Participate now >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is Doodle? 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