Hi, Floor. So great to have the team support this! Loved everyone's ideas and really happy to collaborate with such a great bunch.
Naturally, I'm in for the general video production, but would love to work on this with maybe 1-2 more volunteers. So, who's in..? :) Cheers, Shani. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Floor Koudijs <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in and > share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the monthly > Collab meetings. > > Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's make > sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too > short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be > perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline, > and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for > framing this: > * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience? > * What can others learn from this experience? > * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience? > * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with > (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions). > > Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That > sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a > long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to > dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a > request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if > (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance > as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to > see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more > sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab > members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in > Phabricator then!) > > I look forward to a great meeting in December! > > > Floor Koudijs > > Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program > > Wikimedia Foundation > > +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) > > +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) > > [email protected] > > education.wikimedia.org > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-) >> >> 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >> >>> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small >>> "brainstorming" with me. :-) >>> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the >>> project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and important >>> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off >>> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons >>> Sara mentioned. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shani.. >>> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone! >>>> >>>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we can >>>> make good use out of. >>>> >>>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this is >>>> great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open and >>>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however I've >>>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on >>>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel like >>>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or mistakes >>>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the >>>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps we >>>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought I'd >>>> share my thoughts on that. >>>> >>>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also remember >>>> Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some of you >>>> attended their workshop?), >>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was their >>>> representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he already has >>>> some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a non-profit part of a >>>> corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs, I know >>>> they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about them once >>>> that film is out. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to our next meeting! >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a discussion >>>>> about doing something like that. >>>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as >>>>> well as WMF EDU team. :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Shani. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Shani >>>>>> >>>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J >>>>>> >>>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share >>>>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free digital >>>>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can >>>>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Can be scalable? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) About results and suggestions >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know more? >>>>>> >>>>>> Like the exercise of pitching >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it in >>>>>> a very short time ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hugs, >>>>>> >>>>>> Meli >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Shani, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a video >>>>>>> is going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I love the >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> of being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) to join >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for this would >>>>>>> be to >>>>>>> have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video locally. The >>>>>>> interviews could be done during Collab meetings or during Wikimania >>>>>>> while >>>>>>> in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia >>>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a >>>>>>> handful of >>>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of >>>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they started >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for the >>>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from India >>>>>>> for adding on to the video. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> Netha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech! >>>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it >>>>>>>> can be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing >>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>> and editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I see >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, let's >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better than >>>>>>>> nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to allow >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their programs. >>>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and >>>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), the >>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a specific >>>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to >>>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all you >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y created a >>>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen >>>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow knowledge >>>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very >>>>>>>> little. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, I'll >>>>>>>> continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's not, and >>>>>>>> other share the need for more details, then let's do something about - >>>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> right direction. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is too >>>>>>>> much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a maximum of >>>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>>> minutes but that's just my personal view. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video >>>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global >>>>>>>> nature >>>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a lot of >>>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board >>>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >>>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz >>>>>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter >>>>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for >>>>>>>>> December & January*. >>>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be >>>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance. >>>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can >>>>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about a >>>>>>>>> need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like to >>>>>>>>> propose >>>>>>>>> using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we can use the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific project / >>>>>>>>> initiative from >>>>>>>>> around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 minute explanation >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the project and 5 minutes for questions. >>>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences will >>>>>>>>> benefit everyone. >>>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be >>>>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't have >>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software for >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of >>>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but >>>>>>>>> even if >>>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from >>>>>>>>> things that >>>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an >>>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should document >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link them >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to >>>>>>>>> promote >>>>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do during >>>>>>>>> our meetings?* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at >>>>>>>>> the WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about* >>>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and the >>>>>>>>> WMF >>>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official >>>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the Wiki >>>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, or >>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really need >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that we >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> doing here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone! >>>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll >>>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo> >>>>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to >>>>>>>>>> participate in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016. >>>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time in >>>>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as >>>>>>>>>> many of you as possible online. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team. >>>>>>>>>> Participate now >>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn> >>>>>>>>>> What is Doodle? Doodle is a web service that helps Shani >>>>>>>>>> Evenstein to find a suitable date for meeting with a group of >>>>>>>>>> people. 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