Hello, Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept for a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach than a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it has been pointed out before. It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform for children.
Kind regards Ziko https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < [email protected]>: > Hello Plyd, > This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are > unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and > their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an account > and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most platforms > if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST have > their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote case > that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled by > their family. > > On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. > Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with > Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero > problems, and lot of confidence. > > You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a wiki > if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal > team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data to > contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old > contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid it > asking for birth data certificates. > > The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you must > know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but most > of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted > Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children > content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every single > human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are mine, > cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge to > every human, so we must provide knowledge to children. > > I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having > only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. But we > can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known project, > even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last year > to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. > Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in > Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we provide > knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We are > doing it, and you can also do it. > > thanks > > Galder > > ________________________________ > From: Plyd <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM > To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > Portugese > > Hello Galder, > > Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several > problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted with > adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't feel > like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection (for > example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...). Finally > there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a > US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a very > specific way of handling it). > I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better Vikidia > and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a tab on > Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is > similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. > Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have > shown us that we can do something really handsome :) > > Best, Plyd > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Great news! > Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this with > Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating > articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or the > children version of the article. > > I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results are > great! > > Sincerely > > Galder > > ________________________________ > From: Education <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. > Turki <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM > To: Plyd; [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > Portugese > > Dear Mr., > I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching an > Arabic edition of Vikidia. > Yours Sincerely, > Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) > Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia > Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 > GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group > Member, WikiResearch Tunisia > Member, Wiki Project Med > Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee > Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee > Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb > Founder, TunSci > ____________________ > +21629499418 > > > -------- Message d'origine -------- > De : Plyd <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date : 2019/06/19 13:06 (GMT+01:00) > À : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese > > Dear Education community, > > Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we sometimes > send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a few > adaptations to be suitable for children). > > The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, a > bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open new > languages when we have a group of contributors motivated. > > Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have contacts > of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future > contributors? > > Great thanks for any tip > > Best, Plyd > https://www.vikidia.org > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > [ > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif > ]< > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. www.avast.com< > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
