Hello Ziko, Thank your for your feedback on Klexikon, how does it go there?
On what we saw on Vikidia, we can do both, provide quality content for children, and be a learning platform. Actually, be a learning platform is a way to provide quality content for children. On French-speaking Vikidia, most of the best contributors we have today were children when they started, and I can confirm they sometimes were hard to manage. But it was definitly worth it. Also, children write on different subjects than adults, especially for trendy subjects for children that we would have forgotten. Last thing to add, in a wiki way, every article is corrected by experienced contributors and thus we keep a quality content. Best, Plyd On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept for > a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach than > a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. > We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have > the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues > with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it has > been pointed out before. > It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides > quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform > for children. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon > > > > > Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > [email protected]>: > > > Hello Plyd, > > This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are > > unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and > > their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an account > > and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most > platforms > > if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST have > > their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote case > > that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled by > > their family. > > > > On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. > > Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with > > Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero > > problems, and lot of confidence. > > > > You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a wiki > > if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal > > team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data to > > contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old > > contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid > it > > asking for birth data certificates. > > > > The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you > must > > know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but > most > > of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted > > Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children > > content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every single > > human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are > mine, > > cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge > to > > every human, so we must provide knowledge to children. > > > > I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having > > only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. But > we > > can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known project, > > even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last > year > > to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. > > Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in > > Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we > provide > > knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We > are > > doing it, and you can also do it. > > > > thanks > > > > Galder > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Plyd <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM > > To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > > Portugese > > > > Hello Galder, > > > > Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several > > problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted > with > > adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't feel > > like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection > (for > > example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...). > Finally > > there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a > > US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a > very > > specific way of handling it). > > I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better Vikidia > > and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a tab > on > > Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is > > similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. > > Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have > > shown us that we can do something really handsome :) > > > > Best, Plyd > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Great news! > > Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this with > > Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating > > articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or the > > children version of the article. > > > > I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results are > > great! > > > > Sincerely > > > > Galder > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Education <[email protected]<mailto: > > [email protected]>> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. > > Turki <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM > > To: Plyd; [email protected]<mailto: > > [email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > > Portugese > > > > Dear Mr., > > I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching an > > Arabic edition of Vikidia. > > Yours Sincerely, > > Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) > > Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia > > Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 > > GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group > > Member, WikiResearch Tunisia > > Member, Wiki Project Med > > Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee > > Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee > > Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb > > Founder, TunSci > > ____________________ > > +21629499418 > > > > > > -------- Message d'origine -------- > > De : Plyd <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > Date : 2019/06/19 13:06 (GMT+01:00) > > À : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese > > > > Dear Education community, > > > > Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we > sometimes > > send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a > few > > adaptations to be suitable for children). > > > > The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, a > > bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open new > > languages when we have a group of contributors motivated. > > > > Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have > contacts > > of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future > > contributors? > > > > Great thanks for any tip > > > > Best, Plyd > > https://www.vikidia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > [ > > > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif > > ]< > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com< > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
