Hello, Klexikon is fine, and I fondly remember our exchanges and experiences in San Sebastian at Wikipedia+Education conference: https://vimeo.com/manage/335048428/general
On quality, it is possible to have different opinions. :-) I understand that the approaches and methods are different, and being happy with the results is always the most important. Kind regards Ziko Am Do., 20. Juni 2019 um 11:01 Uhr schrieb Plyd <[email protected]>: > Hello Ziko, > > Thank your for your feedback on Klexikon, how does it go there? > > On what we saw on Vikidia, we can do both, provide quality content for > children, and be a learning platform. > Actually, be a learning platform is a way to provide quality content for > children. > On French-speaking Vikidia, most of the best contributors we have today > were children when they started, and I can confirm they sometimes were hard > to manage. > But it was definitly worth it. Also, children write on different subjects > than adults, especially for trendy subjects for children that we would have > forgotten. > Last thing to add, in a wiki way, every article is corrected by experienced > contributors and thus we keep a quality content. > > Best, Plyd > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept > for > > a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach > than > > a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. > > We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have > > the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues > > with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it > has > > been pointed out before. > > It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides > > quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform > > for children. > > > > Kind regards > > Ziko > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon > > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > > [email protected]>: > > > > > Hello Plyd, > > > This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are > > > unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and > > > their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an > account > > > and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most > > platforms > > > if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST > have > > > their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote > case > > > that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled > by > > > their family. > > > > > > On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. > > > Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with > > > Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero > > > problems, and lot of confidence. > > > > > > You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a > wiki > > > if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal > > > team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data > to > > > contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old > > > contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid > > it > > > asking for birth data certificates. > > > > > > The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you > > must > > > know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but > > most > > > of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted > > > Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children > > > content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every > single > > > human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are > > mine, > > > cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge > > to > > > every human, so we must provide knowledge to children. > > > > > > I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having > > > only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. > But > > we > > > can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known > project, > > > even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last > > year > > > to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. > > > Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in > > > Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we > > provide > > > knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We > > are > > > doing it, and you can also do it. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Galder > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Plyd <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM > > > To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > > > Portugese > > > > > > Hello Galder, > > > > > > Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several > > > problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted > > with > > > adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't > feel > > > like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection > > (for > > > example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...). > > Finally > > > there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a > > > US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a > > very > > > specific way of handling it). > > > I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better > Vikidia > > > and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a > tab > > on > > > Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is > > > similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. > > > Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have > > > shown us that we can do something really handsome :) > > > > > > Best, Plyd > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Great news! > > > Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this > with > > > Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating > > > articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or > the > > > children version of the article. > > > > > > I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results > are > > > great! > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Galder > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Education <[email protected]<mailto: > > > [email protected]>> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. > > > Turki <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM > > > To: Plyd; [email protected]<mailto: > > > [email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and > > > Portugese > > > > > > Dear Mr., > > > I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching > an > > > Arabic edition of Vikidia. > > > Yours Sincerely, > > > Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) > > > Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, > Tunisia > > > Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 > > > GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group > > > Member, WikiResearch Tunisia > > > Member, Wiki Project Med > > > Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee > > > Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee > > > Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb > > > Founder, TunSci > > > ____________________ > > > +21629499418 > > > > > > > > > -------- Message d'origine -------- > > > De : Plyd <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Date : 2019/06/19 13:06 (GMT+01:00) > > > À : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > > > Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese > > > > > > Dear Education community, > > > > > > Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we > > sometimes > > > send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a > > few > > > adaptations to be suitable for children). > > > > > > The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, > a > > > bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open > new > > > languages when we have a group of contributors motivated. > > > > > > Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have > > contacts > > > of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future > > > contributors? > > > > > > Great thanks for any tip > > > > > > Best, Plyd > > > https://www.vikidia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Education mailing list > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Education mailing list > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > > [ > > > > > > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif > > > ]< > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com< > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Education mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
