Ian,

  With all due respect, I haven't read doc on CICS in years, BUT I did used to
program in it.  I used CICS to read and write records to DAM files (Not een
VSAM) at TRW INformation Systems in Orange, CA>  Their entire system for credit
information was premised on CICS.  Furthermore, I've read a description
(undefiend) of CICS a stransaction manager or TP monitor.  An application
server, unless y9ou wish to define this so broad as to be meaningless usually
provides support for running other applications like logging, transaction
management, database connectivity, and the like.  CICS didn't do that kind of
stuff for me that I could tell.  Maybe it did logging but I'm not sure.  ANd ofr
your informatoin, I was a kernel engineer in IBM for five years in DB2/MVS and
no one there ever referred to CICS the way you are.  I'm not necessarily saying
you don't know what you are talking about, but I am saying that you are perhaps
stretching the meaning of app server and not looking at CICS from a developer
point of view.  Please note that this is private.  When we are done, perhaps we
shold publish the results of this conversaton to the list.  I don't claim to be
Mr. CICS, but I've used it enough to stand by much of what I said.  Now this
might not represent CICS today, but I would claim that it does represent CICS as
of 1984.  What say ye?

  Ken

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