<vendor>
It has taken us a while to negotiate with Sun and get the contracts in place
and
it is expensive (I am not prepared to disclose exact figures). The reason we
have
become a licensee is to get access to the test suites and ensure that our
platform
is fully compliant. We don't expect this to take too long as we have started
from the
ground up based entirely on the spec whereas most app servers have been
around
for a while and J2EE is just the latest 'feature' as I think you pointed out
in an earlier
mail.

We get some other benefits such as participation in the design of future
releases
of the EJB/J2EE and related specs and some marketing benefits but getting
our
platform 100% compliant is our main interest.
</vendor>

---
Andy Grove
Chief Technology Officer
Orbware Ltd.

** OrCAS Enterprise Server now available from http://www.orbware.com **

-----Original Message-----
From: Juan Pablo Lorandi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 June 2000 07:44
Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..


>Yes, you're right... I was talking from a Dev perspective...
>But, How much is (I mean money & trouble) to become a licensee for J2EE?
>And if your product don't pass Sun's tests (I don't know about OrCAS, but I
>know Oracle App Server), is it worth the trouble... apart of being listed
in
>Sun's Java site?
>
>Thanks
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Grove [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 2:59 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
>
>
>>I have nothing to add, except that you can't get an OEM license for Sun's
>>RI. For production purposes, they sell a license on iPlanet...
>>I don't think any company will compete with itself. (or maybe another team
>>in sillyware is going to release a different JINI software that
>>acomplishes the same task?)
>
>Technically you could get an 'OEM license' by becoming a J2EE licensee
>(as Orbware have recently) but I have to agree with the previous comments
>that nobody in their right minds would want to try and turn J2EE RI into
>a production quality application server.
>
><vendor>
>We built the OrCAS Enterprise Server from the ground up and didn't even
>look at any of the J2EE RI code - it would have been a massive engineering
>feat to refactor an product of that size and of no business advantage to
us.
></vendor>
>
>---
>Andy Grove
>Chief Technology Officer
>Orbware Ltd.
>
>** OrCAS Enterprise Server now available from http://www.orbware.com **
>
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