Go to www.pramati.com
these guys sell a $1000 development license, and it includes an IDE totally
integrated with the
server (and I LOVE IT), plus the best set of packagers I've seen. I don't
think there's any other product that's comparable to developing with it
below $30000. I have a cluster running on ONE machine(that's fun) :)
Pramati has a very small footprint, so a single CPU can hold a cluster, thus
providing fail-safety
They have small problems with their Bean Wizard working with Oracle, but
they're working on it.
I've had some little problems while developing, such as not having this or
that jar in the classpath, the bean wiz that I said; Well, I mail support
and these guys reply within the same day.
I recommend it fully for developing and production purposes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 3:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
Tell more - I am looking for a good open source container for
testing clustering - any of these match
For my purposes it is not important whether there is any performance
only that I can test code in a clustered environment before attempting
to deploy on a serions (and $$$$) cluster such as weblogic
At 11:48 PM 6/23/2000 -0300, you wrote:
>I cannot let this pass... Freeman, I don't think YOU are a programmer, or
>ever had a customer in your life.
>
>First, I TEST THINGS BEFORE MAKING MY MIND... Have you got Sun's RI
>clustered? I have Pramati Server Clustered, Orion clustered, and OAS in the
>trash can.
>Secondly, yes, with open source, you can modify, reverse engineer, and
>everything else... but THIS IS NO EASY TASK! How many times did you do
that?
>How about NEVER! For must guys out here, that's not a choice. Another
thing,
>many of them containers are crappy, because they're not build bottom up,
>they're actually CORBA App Servers modified to managed EJB's.... and
they're
>paying the price(at least, the major players). Yes, there are lower
barriers
>to entry, if you think every programmer is stupid enough to buy a product
>just by reading the spec... But SOME OF US EVALUATE throughly BEFORE
>buying... Bottom line is, there may be 100 App servers at the end of the
>year, but a year later, this won't be so...
>Oh, have YOU licensed Sun's RI...? I GUESS NOT.
>
>BTW, I can make anything scale WITHOUT access to source code, I have a
>disassembler here; I can modify any program, recompile it, and so forth...
>I used to program Motorola 6500 with a 9V battery and two pieces of cable;
>you CAN do it, you DON'T WANT TO, you WON'T... but as far as possibilities,
>from a theoretical position, I can fly above the ground just by willing to
>do so...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Freeman Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:01 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
>
>
>Aravind Naidu wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The reality is that it's going to take a couple of years to role
> > > out real EJB
> > > applications and alot of things are going to change by then.
> > >
> >
> > I hate to get involved in such a subjective discussion, but I would like
>to
> > point out that "real EJB" applications are here now and I can give you
> > plenty of examples of them with real users hammering away at them. And
>they
> > are all at Enterprise quality too.
>
>I'm not advocating that Vendors make products using the J2EE RI but it can
>be
>done.
>
>If you want to ignore this and the potential additional competition,
because
>of
>lower barriers to entry, go ahead and do so. Basic business sense indicates
>that
>the barriers to entry are lowered because of the open source/J2EE RI.
>
> > > So even if you can't sell the J2EE RI without first licensing it
> > >from Sun, it still has alot of value for prototyping and
> > >building products. As a vendor and system integrator, I have
> > >found that all of the other containers are pretty much worthless.
> >
> > I also agree with Jean-Baptise's claim that J2EE RI, is what it is meant
>to
> > be, an RI. Not a production quality implementation. Where is your
> > clustering, failover scenario ? How about a decent O/R mapping tool ?
How
> > about IDE support ? How about a test environment for unit testing ?
> > All of the above and more, I get from my application server.
> > Yes, you can use it for prototyping and even for some development....
> >
>
>Your to busy trying to make this a personal issue instead of a
>business/engineering issue.
>The bottom line is that a company can try to license the J2EE RI and add
all
>of
>the above and effectively compete. Sun never said that you could not get a
>J2EE
>RI license if your approached them
>
> >
> > SUN don't want you to resell the RI, and will never do. That would mean
it
> > will compete against iPlanet. They are not stupid.
> >
> > Even the most ardent supporter of Tomcat (of which I am one) will agree
>that
> > it is not yet ready for production. (refer to the mailing list.) It is
>just
> > an RI and the only reason, SUN has agreed to giving it to the Apache
> > foundation is that they know it will not compete against them with
selling
> > their Enterprise app server. That is where the big bickies are .
>
>I don't think your a programmer because you would realize that programmers
>can
>make this stuff scale with access to source code. The bottom line is that
>competition is tight!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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