Tell more - I am looking for a good open source container for
testing clustering - any of these match
For my purposes it is not important whether there is any performance
only that I can test code in a clustered environment before attempting
to deploy on a serions (and $$$$) cluster such as weblogic
At 11:48 PM 6/23/2000 -0300, you wrote:
>I cannot let this pass... Freeman, I don't think YOU are a programmer, or
>ever had a customer in your life.
>
>First, I TEST THINGS BEFORE MAKING MY MIND... Have you got Sun's RI
>clustered? I have Pramati Server Clustered, Orion clustered, and OAS in the
>trash can.
>Secondly, yes, with open source, you can modify, reverse engineer, and
>everything else... but THIS IS NO EASY TASK! How many times did you do that?
>How about NEVER! For must guys out here, that's not a choice. Another thing,
>many of them containers are crappy, because they're not build bottom up,
>they're actually CORBA App Servers modified to managed EJB's.... and they're
>paying the price(at least, the major players). Yes, there are lower barriers
>to entry, if you think every programmer is stupid enough to buy a product
>just by reading the spec... But SOME OF US EVALUATE throughly BEFORE
>buying... Bottom line is, there may be 100 App servers at the end of the
>year, but a year later, this won't be so...
>Oh, have YOU licensed Sun's RI...? I GUESS NOT.
>
>BTW, I can make anything scale WITHOUT access to source code, I have a
>disassembler here; I can modify any program, recompile it, and so forth...
>I used to program Motorola 6500 with a 9V battery and two pieces of cable;
>you CAN do it, you DON'T WANT TO, you WON'T... but as far as possibilities,
>from a theoretical position, I can fly above the ground just by willing to
>do so...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Freeman Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:01 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
>
>
>Aravind Naidu wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The reality is that it's going to take a couple of years to role
> > > out real EJB
> > > applications and alot of things are going to change by then.
> > >
> >
> > I hate to get involved in such a subjective discussion, but I would like
>to
> > point out that "real EJB" applications are here now and I can give you
> > plenty of examples of them with real users hammering away at them. And
>they
> > are all at Enterprise quality too.
>
>I'm not advocating that Vendors make products using the J2EE RI but it can
>be
>done.
>
>If you want to ignore this and the potential additional competition, because
>of
>lower barriers to entry, go ahead and do so. Basic business sense indicates
>that
>the barriers to entry are lowered because of the open source/J2EE RI.
>
> > > So even if you can't sell the J2EE RI without first licensing it
> > >from Sun, it still has alot of value for prototyping and
> > >building products. As a vendor and system integrator, I have
> > >found that all of the other containers are pretty much worthless.
> >
> > I also agree with Jean-Baptise's claim that J2EE RI, is what it is meant
>to
> > be, an RI. Not a production quality implementation. Where is your
> > clustering, failover scenario ? How about a decent O/R mapping tool ? How
> > about IDE support ? How about a test environment for unit testing ?
> > All of the above and more, I get from my application server.
> > Yes, you can use it for prototyping and even for some development....
> >
>
>Your to busy trying to make this a personal issue instead of a
>business/engineering issue.
>The bottom line is that a company can try to license the J2EE RI and add all
>of
>the above and effectively compete. Sun never said that you could not get a
>J2EE
>RI license if your approached them
>
> >
> > SUN don't want you to resell the RI, and will never do. That would mean it
> > will compete against iPlanet. They are not stupid.
> >
> > Even the most ardent supporter of Tomcat (of which I am one) will agree
>that
> > it is not yet ready for production. (refer to the mailing list.) It is
>just
> > an RI and the only reason, SUN has agreed to giving it to the Apache
> > foundation is that they know it will not compete against them with selling
> > their Enterprise app server. That is where the big bickies are .
>
>I don't think your a programmer because you would realize that programmers
>can
>make this stuff scale with access to source code. The bottom line is that
>competition is tight!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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