Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to object).
When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with the many projects we created). Regarding Marvel: - You are only required to pay for it when used in production. - You don't have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from. On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic <[email protected]> wrote: > I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I > would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this > scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of > its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its > use is also somewhat restricted. > > Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent > from this thread. :) > > I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory > faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing > world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again. > > Cheers, > Ivan > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S <[email protected]> wrote: > @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a > customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, > but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't > allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but > sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this > situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense > works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too. > > So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive > licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around. > Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it > if necessary. > > I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on > github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I > understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an > appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's > still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try > and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless > it has a licence that allows me to do it. > > Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines. > > > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote: > +1 for Sense standalone packaging > +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store > > Sense is used here all the time, it's essential. > > I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS > license. > > Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not > afraid of the learning curve. > > Jörg > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "elasticsearch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/837794c8-1a0a-411f-a29c-852133d6fbc2%40googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "elasticsearch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/CALY%3DcQDQQ%2BJRADr%2Bu%3DiqHjs9suKS6Yu8pSc1aKv0JsmavFypoQ%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/DE9F785A-48D3-441D-93B8-4363EEE16BE5%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
