Bill,

I missed that recent update.   It was not that way previously.  We have 
to keep up with the latest developments (and I failed).  Wayne and I had 
some discussion about this a while back, and I was not certain of the 
outcome - Apparently we now agree.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2011 1:46 AM, Bill Conkling wrote:
> I just re-read my manual (rev D7), and it says on pg 51 for s-meter cal if
> SMTR MD = NOR, set PREAMP ON.  If SMTR MD = ABS, set PREAMP OFF.
>
> ...bc  nr4c
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:43 AM
> To: a...@elecraft.com
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance
>
>    Alan,
>
> I might add about the K3 CONFIG: SMTR MD = ABS, that the calibration
> procedure indicated in the manual may (or may not) be the "proper" thing
> to do.
> The manual suggests that you calibrate the S-meter with the preamp ON.
> If you do that, and set the S-meter to ABS, you will find that the
> S-meter response is about 2 S-units lower than what you may expect.  I
> prefer to do the calibration with the S-meter off, and then the response
> in SMTR ABS is more what I would expect.
>
> Since everyone's expectations do not necessarily match mine (obviously,
> I disagree with Wayne on this item), you can take your pick - do it the
> way the manual says, or do it like I have.  The choice is entirely
> yours.  Like all things S-meter reading related, there is a great
> variation between receivers,  The K3 has re-vitalized the old Collins 50
> uV equal S-9 "standard".  That standard is not a standard at all, and
> many transceivers do it differently, but with the K3, you do have a
> choice depending on how you want to set it up.  If you cannot decide how
> you want it, go with the manual instructions - they work and work quite
> well.  If you deviate, know why you are doing that deviation and know it
> is for your own situation, others may or may not make the same choices.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/16/2011 12:20 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>> There are a couple reasons why the K3's S meter and the P3 display may
>> show a different level.
>>
>> As Don mentioned, the P3 will generally show a much lower level than the
>> K3 on noise.  It's because the effective bandwidth of the P3 is
>> generally only one display pixel, about 1/450 of the span.  Less
>> bandwidth means less noise power in each display point.  The same thing
>> happens to some extent with an SSB signal.
>>
>> Another issue is that the S meter reading on the K3 may change when you
>> turn the preamp or attenuator on or off.  To prevent that happening, set
>> CONFIG:SMTR MD to "ABS".
>>
>> If you do that and calibrate both the K3 S meter and the P3 amplitude,
>> then the two should closely agree when measuring a steady CW carrier.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
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