Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be enabled. I have sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my sending speed and all mistakes are my fault -- but I have never noticed anything choppy or unusual and I have never invoked QRQ. Reason for not invoking QRQ is that I didn't think I needed it and I thought QRQ was meant for something faster than 30 wpm.
Question: is this something you hear on the side-tone monitor? Is it the same as sent? 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Toby Pennington <[email protected]> wrote: > Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it may > be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support on here > about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at around 30 wpm, > because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW. If you > operate the rig at speeds greater than 30wpm, then you will notice the > choppiness in the cw that is being sent. ( without the QRQ turned on..) When > QRQ is ENGAGED, you lose the use of the RIT, Shift, Hi cut and Lo Cut. > > It appears as though nothing has been done to improve on this situation by > Elecraft, as they would would have chimed in with a comment about the QRQ > issue. I believe it is their intention to leave the feature as it is and not > address anything more concerning it. > > So, this will be my last post about an issue which I think needs to be > worked on further. > > I wish all a Blessed Easter and Passover this coming week! Toby K4NH > > > On 4/13/2014 2:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: >> Fred, >> >> I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be >> 'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue. >> >> You said "the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects are >> vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator." That is >> simply not the case: the problem starts showing up around 35 wpm, in either >> full or semi-QSK. >> >> The only ways to mitigate it are to use QRQ mode or to use manual PTT rather >> than any form of QSK. >> >> If the fellow who started the thread never operates CW over 30 wpm, or if he >> gets used to the limitations of QRQ mode (as I have) or if he uses a foot >> switch, then, yes, he will not notice the problem. >> >> >> On 4/12/2014 8:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I would normally top-post but hard in this case ... >>> >>> On 4/12/2014 7:48 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: >>> > I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is not OK >>> > with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds awful. >>> >>> Not sure what you don't agree with. I said I almost never send above >>> 35, and that's N1MM. I rarely paddle above 25, hand dexterity issues >>> caused by a poor choice of Dad. [for those who don't get that, I loved >>> my Dad, he was really good to me, he was Danish, and it's genetic. >>> Geesh, you never know these days!] >>> >>> > Brian is correct that it doesn't matter whether you are using the >>> > internal keyer or an external paddle or keyboard, as long as you are >>> > using either semi- or full QSK. >>> >>> If I didn't say that, I'm sorry, I know that. I run full QSK all the >>> time, with KPA500, N1MM-Winkey or my paddles. And yes, Brian is correct >>> [well, I think, I haven't actually tried it, and I'm not at all sure I >>> know what TX DLY is], but that's not the list item I was responding to. >>> Somehow, being "correct," even if it doesn't respond the the original >>> question has become the current badge. Probably not a good trend. >>> > >>> > Fred, I'm willing to bet that you have your WinKey USB set up to control >>> > the PTT -- or maybe you have a foot switch. You are not using either >>> > semi-QSK or full QSK. That is why you don't have the problem. >>> >>> How much are you willing to bet? :-)) >>> > >>> > Try this: make sure you are using either full or semi-QSK. Turn on QRQ >>> > mode and send some V's at about 40 wpm. It should sound fine. Then hit >>> > RIT and send a few more. You'll see. >>> >>> Vic, I can't send V's at 40 WPM with my paddle any more, too many >>> accumulated birthdays, could when younger. >>> >>> So FOTL ["Folks Of The List"] ... how about we get back to basics. I >>> was responding to David Cole, who has been moderately active on this >>> list recently trying to figure out how to buy a K3 and what he wants >>> with it. I don't know David, but his questions all smacked of >>> sincerity. I think David is more concerned than he needs to be about >>> the K3 he's ordered, probably 99% of us know he's going to love it. He >>> gets concerned about some of the peripheral threads on this list, all >>> welcome, but we're a diverse group and not everything that someone is >>> concerned about is our concern. >>> >>> Learning how to sort that out takes time and experience, and if we're >>> lucky, some advice. David wants a K3, he's done his research, but he's >>> still sensitive to peripheral posts on the list that suggest he may have >>> made a wrong decision. How about we all have a little compassion for >>> David and all the others like him. This is a hard list to follow, >>> especially if you might not be hugely technically knowledgeable. >>> >>> David, you will really enjoy your K3. Just use it out of the box for >>> awhile and get to know it. You'll be able to figure out the rest, and >>> you'll always have help here. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 >>> - www.cqp.org >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [email protected]
