Hopefully I will find some time to do more experiments this afternoon (maybe not, it will be a sunny day) but sending at 30 wpm is always error prone for me and it takes more effort that is not that comfortable. I too am best in the 20 to 25 zone. I think my error rate goes up substantially above about 28 wpm and also when the speed is dropped below about 16 wpm. Going slower also throws my timing way off.
I use a Begali Magnetic Classic paddle and I love it. I have a Bencher for the pickup truck mobile and portable ops with KX3. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Stephen Prior <[email protected]> wrote: > I just tried sending a string of V's at 30 wpm. Normally my maximum > comfortable sending level is between 20 and 25wpm, so this is certainly out > of my comfort zone. I am using a Begali Expedition and iambic mode B. > With QRQ off I was about 75% accurate in my sending of strings of V's, > with QRQ on, it was nearer 90%. I'm just listening to the sidetone. That > was with the delay set to zero. > > With the delay at 0.06 I cannot see any difference between accuracy of > sending with QRQ on or off, again at the 30wpm level. > > I must concur with previous comments that I have found the K3 to be a > wonderful rig to use on CW, but I'm no racer, and never will be! > > 73 Stephen G4SJP > > K3 #980 > > > > > On 13 April 2014 15:34, Phil Hystad <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be enabled. I >> have sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my sending speed and all >> mistakes are my fault -- but I have never noticed anything choppy or >> unusual and I have never invoked QRQ. Reason for not invoking QRQ is that >> I didn't think I needed it and I thought QRQ was meant for something faster >> than 30 wpm. >> >> Question: is this something you hear on the side-tone monitor? Is it the >> same as sent? >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Toby Pennington <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it >> may be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support on >> here about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at around 30 wpm, >> because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW. If >> you operate the rig at speeds greater than 30wpm, then you will notice the >> choppiness in the cw that is being sent. ( without the QRQ turned on..) >> When QRQ is ENGAGED, you lose the use of the RIT, Shift, Hi cut and Lo >> Cut. >>> >>> It appears as though nothing has been done to improve on this situation >> by Elecraft, as they would would have chimed in with a comment about the >> QRQ issue. I believe it is their intention to leave the feature as it is >> and not address anything more concerning it. >>> >>> So, this will be my last post about an issue which I think needs to be >> worked on further. >>> >>> I wish all a Blessed Easter and Passover this coming week! Toby K4NH >>> >>> >>> On 4/13/2014 2:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: >>>> Fred, >>>> >>>> I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be >> 'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue. >>>> >>>> You said "the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects are >> vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator." That is >> simply not the case: the problem starts showing up around 35 wpm, in either >> full or semi-QSK. >>>> >>>> The only ways to mitigate it are to use QRQ mode or to use manual PTT >> rather than any form of QSK. >>>> >>>> If the fellow who started the thread never operates CW over 30 wpm, or >> if he gets used to the limitations of QRQ mode (as I have) or if he uses a >> foot switch, then, yes, he will not notice the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/12/2014 8:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would normally top-post but hard in this case ... >>>>> >>>>> On 4/12/2014 7:48 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: >>>>>> I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is not >> OK >>>>>> with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds >> awful. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure what you don't agree with. I said I almost never send above >>>>> 35, and that's N1MM. I rarely paddle above 25, hand dexterity issues >>>>> caused by a poor choice of Dad. [for those who don't get that, I loved >>>>> my Dad, he was really good to me, he was Danish, and it's genetic. >>>>> Geesh, you never know these days!] >>>>> >>>>>> Brian is correct that it doesn't matter whether you are using the >>>>>> internal keyer or an external paddle or keyboard, as long as you are >>>>>> using either semi- or full QSK. >>>>> >>>>> If I didn't say that, I'm sorry, I know that. I run full QSK all the >>>>> time, with KPA500, N1MM-Winkey or my paddles. And yes, Brian is >> correct >>>>> [well, I think, I haven't actually tried it, and I'm not at all sure I >>>>> know what TX DLY is], but that's not the list item I was responding to. >>>>> Somehow, being "correct," even if it doesn't respond the the original >>>>> question has become the current badge. Probably not a good trend. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fred, I'm willing to bet that you have your WinKey USB set up to >> control >>>>>> the PTT -- or maybe you have a foot switch. You are not using either >>>>>> semi-QSK or full QSK. That is why you don't have the problem. >>>>> >>>>> How much are you willing to bet? :-)) >>>>>> >>>>>> Try this: make sure you are using either full or semi-QSK. Turn on >> QRQ >>>>>> mode and send some V's at about 40 wpm. It should sound fine. Then >> hit >>>>>> RIT and send a few more. You'll see. >>>>> >>>>> Vic, I can't send V's at 40 WPM with my paddle any more, too many >>>>> accumulated birthdays, could when younger. >>>>> >>>>> So FOTL ["Folks Of The List"] ... how about we get back to basics. I >>>>> was responding to David Cole, who has been moderately active on this >>>>> list recently trying to figure out how to buy a K3 and what he wants >>>>> with it. I don't know David, but his questions all smacked of >>>>> sincerity. I think David is more concerned than he needs to be about >>>>> the K3 he's ordered, probably 99% of us know he's going to love it. He >>>>> gets concerned about some of the peripheral threads on this list, all >>>>> welcome, but we're a diverse group and not everything that someone is >>>>> concerned about is our concern. >>>>> >>>>> Learning how to sort that out takes time and experience, and if we're >>>>> lucky, some advice. David wants a K3, he's done his research, but he's >>>>> still sensitive to peripheral posts on the list that suggest he may >> have >>>>> made a wrong decision. How about we all have a little compassion for >>>>> David and all the others like him. This is a hard list to follow, >>>>> especially if you might not be hugely technically knowledgeable. >>>>> >>>>> David, you will really enjoy your K3. Just use it out of the box for >>>>> awhile and get to know it. You'll be able to figure out the rest, and >>>>> you'll always have help here. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Fred K6DGW >>>>> - Northern California Contest Club >>>>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 >>>>> - www.cqp.org >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [email protected]
