I just tried sending a string of V's at 30 wpm. Normally my maximum comfortable sending level is between 20 and 25wpm, so this is certainly out of my comfort zone. I am using a Begali Expedition and iambic mode B. With QRQ off I was about 75% accurate in my sending of strings of V's, with QRQ on, it was nearer 90%. I'm just listening to the sidetone. That was with the delay set to zero.
With the delay at 0.06 I cannot see any difference between accuracy of sending with QRQ on or off, again at the 30wpm level. I must concur with previous comments that I have found the K3 to be a wonderful rig to use on CW, but I'm no racer, and never will be! 73 Stephen G4SJP K3 #980 On 13 April 2014 15:34, Phil Hystad <phys...@mac.com> wrote: > Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be enabled. I > have sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my sending speed and all > mistakes are my fault -- but I have never noticed anything choppy or > unusual and I have never invoked QRQ. Reason for not invoking QRQ is that > I didn't think I needed it and I thought QRQ was meant for something faster > than 30 wpm. > > Question: is this something you hear on the side-tone monitor? Is it the > same as sent? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Toby Pennington <w4c...@centurylink.net> > wrote: > > > Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it > may be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support on > here about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at around 30 wpm, > because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW. If > you operate the rig at speeds greater than 30wpm, then you will notice the > choppiness in the cw that is being sent. ( without the QRQ turned on..) > When QRQ is ENGAGED, you lose the use of the RIT, Shift, Hi cut and Lo > Cut. > > > > It appears as though nothing has been done to improve on this situation > by Elecraft, as they would would have chimed in with a comment about the > QRQ issue. I believe it is their intention to leave the feature as it is > and not address anything more concerning it. > > > > So, this will be my last post about an issue which I think needs to be > worked on further. > > > > I wish all a Blessed Easter and Passover this coming week! Toby K4NH > > > > > > On 4/13/2014 2:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: > >> Fred, > >> > >> I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be > 'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue. > >> > >> You said "the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects are > vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator." That is > simply not the case: the problem starts showing up around 35 wpm, in either > full or semi-QSK. > >> > >> The only ways to mitigate it are to use QRQ mode or to use manual PTT > rather than any form of QSK. > >> > >> If the fellow who started the thread never operates CW over 30 wpm, or > if he gets used to the limitations of QRQ mode (as I have) or if he uses a > foot switch, then, yes, he will not notice the problem. > >> > >> > >> On 4/12/2014 8:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >>> > >>> I would normally top-post but hard in this case ... > >>> > >>> On 4/12/2014 7:48 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote: > >>> > I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is not > OK > >>> > with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds > awful. > >>> > >>> Not sure what you don't agree with. I said I almost never send above > >>> 35, and that's N1MM. I rarely paddle above 25, hand dexterity issues > >>> caused by a poor choice of Dad. [for those who don't get that, I loved > >>> my Dad, he was really good to me, he was Danish, and it's genetic. > >>> Geesh, you never know these days!] > >>> > >>> > Brian is correct that it doesn't matter whether you are using the > >>> > internal keyer or an external paddle or keyboard, as long as you are > >>> > using either semi- or full QSK. > >>> > >>> If I didn't say that, I'm sorry, I know that. I run full QSK all the > >>> time, with KPA500, N1MM-Winkey or my paddles. And yes, Brian is > correct > >>> [well, I think, I haven't actually tried it, and I'm not at all sure I > >>> know what TX DLY is], but that's not the list item I was responding to. > >>> Somehow, being "correct," even if it doesn't respond the the original > >>> question has become the current badge. Probably not a good trend. > >>> > > >>> > Fred, I'm willing to bet that you have your WinKey USB set up to > control > >>> > the PTT -- or maybe you have a foot switch. You are not using either > >>> > semi-QSK or full QSK. That is why you don't have the problem. > >>> > >>> How much are you willing to bet? :-)) > >>> > > >>> > Try this: make sure you are using either full or semi-QSK. Turn on > QRQ > >>> > mode and send some V's at about 40 wpm. It should sound fine. Then > hit > >>> > RIT and send a few more. You'll see. > >>> > >>> Vic, I can't send V's at 40 WPM with my paddle any more, too many > >>> accumulated birthdays, could when younger. > >>> > >>> So FOTL ["Folks Of The List"] ... how about we get back to basics. I > >>> was responding to David Cole, who has been moderately active on this > >>> list recently trying to figure out how to buy a K3 and what he wants > >>> with it. I don't know David, but his questions all smacked of > >>> sincerity. I think David is more concerned than he needs to be about > >>> the K3 he's ordered, probably 99% of us know he's going to love it. He > >>> gets concerned about some of the peripheral threads on this list, all > >>> welcome, but we're a diverse group and not everything that someone is > >>> concerned about is our concern. > >>> > >>> Learning how to sort that out takes time and experience, and if we're > >>> lucky, some advice. David wants a K3, he's done his research, but he's > >>> still sensitive to peripheral posts on the list that suggest he may > have > >>> made a wrong decision. How about we all have a little compassion for > >>> David and all the others like him. This is a hard list to follow, > >>> especially if you might not be hugely technically knowledgeable. > >>> > >>> David, you will really enjoy your K3. Just use it out of the box for > >>> awhile and get to know it. You'll be able to figure out the rest, and > >>> you'll always have help here. > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> > >>> Fred K6DGW > >>> - Northern California Contest Club > >>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 > >>> - www.cqp.org > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phys...@mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantw...@gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
