As I have stated many times. 5w is not cutting it. Sorry, it is not. People saying it is all I need is not changing the facts. With a 5.1Db gain antenna, the local terrain is killing the signals in larger than 12 man groups, single file through the hills.
We need more in many cases. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Walter Underwood <wun...@wunderwood.org>wrote: > You asked about a specific application, "co-ordinating rider > leader/wingman/tailgunners actions during rides". A VHF mobile or VHF/UHF > mobile is perfect for that. They are small, affordable, and the mobile > antennas are efficient. > > The issue is not Elecraft, it is using HF for this purpose. HF mobile > antennas are inefficient, often losing 10dB compared to a full-sized > antenna. That means you really need 100W. One reply suggested two 100W HF > rigs, the IC-706 and IC-7000. > > The Elecraft 100W amp would work for this, but it raises the cost to > around $2500 per vehicle, which is 10X the cost of a 2m mobile radio. One > of the reasons Elecraft gave for building the 100W amp was to make the KX3 > usable mobile. > > 6m or 10m do not have much advantage over 2m in this application, so there > is no reason to spend more money to run on those bands. If you did want > those bands, the IC-8900R covers 10m through 70cm with 50W for $400 (35W on > 70cm) (http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs/0890.html). > > I'm a backpacker and I love my KX3. I go lots of places where cell phones > don't work. But I would not recommend it for a motorcycle. I'm driving up > to Oregon next week and I'll try to get on the noontime net with 10W > mobile, but I don't really expect that to work. > > wunder > K6WRU > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On May 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, rgconner <rgcon...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hmm. What I think the biggest issue is that I am both a motorcycle > > enthusiast and a budding HAM enthusiast... although the shine is coming > off > > quickly. > > > > "Motor scooters" come in 600+ cc now, they are as big and fast as half > the > > motorcycles out there. BMW's C600 will cruise all day long, and you can > get > > up and 1000 miles again the next day if you want. > > > > This highlights the difficulty: lack of mine and others knowledge of both > > spheres in equal depth. I know motorcycles. I don't know HAM as well. You > > all know the HAM as well, but there seems to be not an overlap with > > motorcycles so much. > > > > And, considering the spec this was designed for: "home, backpacking, and > > travel." it sounds like another product: cell phones. > > > > And we motorcyclists mount our cellphones to the handlebars all the time, > > even small tablets. > > > > So I am surprised those products fair better than the KX3 in the > > overlapping "home, backpacking, and travel." environment. > > > > I have broken 3 phones packpacking, so I guess the KX3 is out altogether > if > > it is not as rugged as as say, a Galaxy S phone. > > > > My 2c worth. > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] < > > ml-node+s365791n7588568...@n2.nabble.com> wrote: > > > >> On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, Russell Conner wrote: > >>> well, the naysayers have convinced me, the Elecraft is not the radio > for > >> me > >>> for this application, and this is the application I need to solve > first. > >> A > >>> home station is a year or two away, if ever. > >> > >> Hi Russell, > >> > >> Congratulations on getting your license. The experience and backgrounds > >> of those who have offered advice is pretty widely varied -- everything > >> from true expert to opinions only to hearsay. Most of us own Elecraft > >> rigs, and most have owned lots of other rigs too, over the years. I've > >> had nearly 20 in the 60 years I've been a ham. Many of us own and use 2M > >> and 440 MHz rigs -- I certainly do -- and I mostly use them on the road. > >> > >> I agree with the advice that Elecraft does not make a product to do what > >> you want on your motorcycle -- for the short distances involved, I'd be > >> looking at either a 2M rig if all the guys in your group are hams, or an > >> FRS radio if they are not, looking for something you can fit with a > >> suitable headset. > >> > >> As others have noted, the KX3 is a great rig for home, backpacking, and > >> travel. That's what it's designed for. When you are ready for a rig like > >> that, it's head and shoulders above the rest. Sort of like the > >> difference between a Harley and a motor scooter. :) > >> > >> 73, Jim K9YC > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7588568&i=0> > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to [hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7588568&i=1> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > >> below: > >> > >> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588568.html > >> To unsubscribe from Could this operate on a motorcycle?, click here< > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=7588505&code=cmdjb25uZXJAZ21haWwuY29tfDc1ODg1MDV8ODU2NDE2OTM= > > > >> . > >> NAML< > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588570.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org > > -- > Walter Underwood > wun...@wunderwood.org > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rgcon...@gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
