I am pretty sure I never suggested using a 5W rig. Mobile VHF rigs are 50-75W.
The KX3 is limited to 10W (8W at 12m and above), so it would not give any more range than a 5W HT. wunder K6WRU On May 4, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Russell Conner <rgcon...@gmail.com> wrote: > As I have stated many times. 5w is not cutting it. > Sorry, it is not. People saying it is all I need is not changing the facts. > With a 5.1Db gain antenna, the local terrain is killing the signals in larger > than 12 man groups, single file through the hills. > > We need more in many cases. > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Walter Underwood <wun...@wunderwood.org> > wrote: > You asked about a specific application, "co-ordinating rider > leader/wingman/tailgunners actions during rides". A VHF mobile or VHF/UHF > mobile is perfect for that. They are small, affordable, and the mobile > antennas are efficient. > > The issue is not Elecraft, it is using HF for this purpose. HF mobile > antennas are inefficient, often losing 10dB compared to a full-sized antenna. > That means you really need 100W. One reply suggested two 100W HF rigs, the > IC-706 and IC-7000. > > The Elecraft 100W amp would work for this, but it raises the cost to around > $2500 per vehicle, which is 10X the cost of a 2m mobile radio. One of the > reasons Elecraft gave for building the 100W amp was to make the KX3 usable > mobile. > > 6m or 10m do not have much advantage over 2m in this application, so there is > no reason to spend more money to run on those bands. If you did want those > bands, the IC-8900R covers 10m through 70cm with 50W for $400 (35W on 70cm) > (http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs/0890.html). > > I'm a backpacker and I love my KX3. I go lots of places where cell phones > don't work. But I would not recommend it for a motorcycle. I'm driving up to > Oregon next week and I'll try to get on the noontime net with 10W mobile, but > I don't really expect that to work. > > wunder > K6WRU > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On May 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, rgconner <rgcon...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hmm. What I think the biggest issue is that I am both a motorcycle > > enthusiast and a budding HAM enthusiast... although the shine is coming off > > quickly. > > > > "Motor scooters" come in 600+ cc now, they are as big and fast as half the > > motorcycles out there. BMW's C600 will cruise all day long, and you can get > > up and 1000 miles again the next day if you want. > > > > This highlights the difficulty: lack of mine and others knowledge of both > > spheres in equal depth. I know motorcycles. I don't know HAM as well. You > > all know the HAM as well, but there seems to be not an overlap with > > motorcycles so much. > > > > And, considering the spec this was designed for: "home, backpacking, and > > travel." it sounds like another product: cell phones. > > > > And we motorcyclists mount our cellphones to the handlebars all the time, > > even small tablets. > > > > So I am surprised those products fair better than the KX3 in the > > overlapping "home, backpacking, and travel." environment. > > > > I have broken 3 phones packpacking, so I guess the KX3 is out altogether if > > it is not as rugged as as say, a Galaxy S phone. > > > > My 2c worth. > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] < > > ml-node+s365791n7588568...@n2.nabble.com> wrote: > > > >> On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, Russell Conner wrote: > >>> well, the naysayers have convinced me, the Elecraft is not the radio for > >> me > >>> for this application, and this is the application I need to solve first. > >> A > >>> home station is a year or two away, if ever. > >> > >> Hi Russell, > >> > >> Congratulations on getting your license. The experience and backgrounds > >> of those who have offered advice is pretty widely varied -- everything > >> from true expert to opinions only to hearsay. Most of us own Elecraft > >> rigs, and most have owned lots of other rigs too, over the years. I've > >> had nearly 20 in the 60 years I've been a ham. Many of us own and use 2M > >> and 440 MHz rigs -- I certainly do -- and I mostly use them on the road. > >> > >> I agree with the advice that Elecraft does not make a product to do what > >> you want on your motorcycle -- for the short distances involved, I'd be > >> looking at either a 2M rig if all the guys in your group are hams, or an > >> FRS radio if they are not, looking for something you can fit with a > >> suitable headset. > >> > >> As others have noted, the KX3 is a great rig for home, backpacking, and > >> travel. That's what it's designed for. When you are ready for a rig like > >> that, it's head and shoulders above the rest. Sort of like the > >> difference between a Harley and a motor scooter. :) > >> > >> 73, Jim K9YC > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden > >> email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7588568&i=0> > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to [hidden > >> email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7588568&i=1> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > >> below: > >> > >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588568.html > >> To unsubscribe from Could this operate on a motorcycle?, click > >> here<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=7588505&code=cmdjb25uZXJAZ21haWwuY29tfDc1ODg1MDV8ODU2NDE2OTM=> > >> . > >> NAML<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588570.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org > > -- > Walter Underwood > wun...@wunderwood.org > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rgcon...@gmail.com > -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
